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Posted 29 January 2017 - 07:33 PM

View PostTheOldOligarch, on 29 January 2017 - 07:10 PM, said:

I find it hilarious that shitlibs are so bad at protests. These are spontaneous protests with no funding or organisers(hence theoretically illegal) and garnered a hundred thousand people.


In Romania, maybe. In the West, the left has a massive advantage when it comes to organizing mass protests. Look at Trump's immigration moratorium -- it caught everybody by surprise, but within 24 hours you had thousands of people protesting at JFK airport, with loads of lawyers lined up and ready to help detainees, pro bono. There aren't any right-wing organizations capable of getting so many warm bodies in one place. /pol/ could maybe get a few hundred NEETs to turn up somewhere on a good day, but that's about the ceiling.

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Posted 30 January 2017 - 12:05 AM

View Postdain, on 29 January 2017 - 07:33 PM, said:

View PostTheOldOligarch, on 29 January 2017 - 07:10 PM, said:

I find it hilarious that shitlibs are so bad at protests. These are spontaneous protests with no funding or organisers(hence theoretically illegal) and garnered a hundred thousand people.


...Look at Trump's immigration moratorium -- it caught everybody by surprise, but within 24 hours you had thousands of people protesting at JFK airport, with loads of lawyers lined up and ready to help detainees, pro bono. There aren't any right-wing organizations capable of getting so many warm bodies in one place. ...

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Posted 30 January 2017 - 12:21 AM

View Postdain, on 29 January 2017 - 07:33 PM, said:

In Romania, maybe. In the West, the left has a massive advantage when it comes to organizing mass protests. Look at Trump's immigration moratorium -- it caught everybody by surprise, but within 24 hours you had thousands of people protesting at JFK airport, with loads of lawyers lined up and ready to help detainees, pro bono. There aren't any right-wing organizations capable of getting so many warm bodies in one place. /pol/ could maybe get a few hundred NEETs to turn up somewhere on a good day, but that's about the ceiling.

Coming from a family that's somewhat prominent in Democrat circles here in my city and having been somewhat involved in left-liberal activism myself in the mid/late 1990's, this is sadly true. Trying to get conservatives to put the slightest effort into a political endeavor is unbelievably difficult compared to what you need to do to get people on the left to show up for a damn battle. The differential in terms of organizational quality - in favor of liberals - at the local level is horrific; what conservative organizations exist get over-bureaucratized and needlessly hierarchical quickly because the people who run them are brain dead corporate middle managers who have no past experience in political activism before they join the local Tea Party group at age 52 (and then get bored/frustrated/defeatist and leave at age 53, preventing any institutional memory from forming). This over-centralism also makes right-leaning groups more liable to be captured and neutralized by the usual suspects; this is less of a problem for leftist orgs because they're not as likely to have that single critical failure point. Remember all the idiots last year with Pepe/anime girl avatars on twitter arguing whether Adolf Skywalker should be the Supreme High Leader of the alt-right or whether they needed some different jackass to be their leader. You don't see that nonsense on the white left, though you do see it with their minority foederati (Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton, Shaun King, Deray McFuckson, etc.). Conservatives really need to think long and hard on why their political social structures resemble those of basically powerless Black Democrats more than those of dominant White/Jewish Democrats.

And contrary to the self-serving pablum pushed by conservatives, almost all of these high-involvement liberal activists have jobs and a healthy majority have at least some sort of family commitment. They're just way more willing to make personal sacrifices for the sake of political action than conservatives are, and the squalid direction of American society over the last half century bears witness to this tragic fact.

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Posted 30 January 2017 - 01:16 AM

View PostBob Arctor, on 30 January 2017 - 12:21 AM, said:

And contrary to the self-serving pablum pushed by conservatives, almost all of these high-involvement liberal activists have jobs and a healthy majority have at least some sort of family commitment. They're just way more willing to make personal sacrifices for the sake of political action than conservatives are, and the squalid direction of American society over the last half century bears witness to this tragic fact.

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Posted 30 January 2017 - 01:45 AM

Dain, these protests have little to no organisation. They're organised via social media and SMS by other protest goers and people spontaneously join when people gather. Contrary to what thaddius says, it's not an issue of people having jobs because most of these people are the few net tax payers Romania has, but because the cities are generally right wing in Romania.  For example, Bucharest generates over a quarter of Romania's GDP and over a third of Romania's budget despite being under a fifth of the population. While many of these people might not mind shoveling their money into the asses of socialist peasants or a church that keeps trying to rival the political class in corruption or shitty teachers or a failing medical system, there's an almost unanimous belief the entirety of the political class consists of worthless thieves. Even the voters of the most notorious thieves, the social democrats, think they're thieves, but vote for gibs(peasants, Gypsies, lower class, retirees are the bulwark of socialists). This is why chants are variations of 'all parties, same filth', 'the national anti-corruption directorate will come and get you'.

I actually believe the corruption prosecutors are making many cases based on fluff and illegal wiretaps, which is a break from how they operated before, but people don't care anymore, that's how much hatred for all these f****ts there is.

The alleged reason for the amnesty is that jails have bad conditions and damages have to be paid when inmates sue in the EU courts, despite this being done before without politicians caring for taxpayer money. What I suggested to people is that Romania should build new jails and repair all current ones, except one jail in which politicians should be sent. The most common reaction is great idea. :lol:

What I find interesting is that Romania exports to other EU states either the human filth(Gypsies et al) or the best young people fed up with all of this. Without the EU, these protests would have had far more people in the streets. It's also why the socialists keep making it hard for overseas citizens to vote: they lose by a factor of 9 to 1.

What all these people want is Trumpism. Anti-corruption, infrastructure and recreating the industry that social democrats gutted to enrich themselves. A TV station that went all in on Trump and discussed dozens of Hillary emails interviewed Romanians in America about the elections and their manager basically lived there for months to be able to figure out what these people think. 80% or so voted Trump according to them and the interviews were hilarious with people being almost giddy when they admitted they voted for Trump, for change etc. If it's true, given that many Romanians live in Ohio, Michigan, Pennsylvania and Florida, they did their small part in electing the God Emperor.

Americans took time out of their lives to attend Trump rallies, and these protests happen because they don't have a Trump to do rallies. The former president is a shitlord(who said refugee resettlement is idiotic and unconstituonal, the EU should slam the borders shut and he opposed what we did in Libya and Syria because he predicted the rapefugee tsunami; he also openly mocked reporters and other politicians and bought a shitty Romanian car to use as his presidential vehicle instead of having the regular Benz), but he destroyed his credibility to save the country from bankruptcy. He was widely popular before he backed spending cuts and tax increases after the recession. He also backed Trump 110% on everything except Russia and he's the only politician who got anything done. Too bad the current president is a German cuck that treats the presidency like Obama(muh taxpayer funded vacations) did instead of using it as a bully pulpit.

Anyway, what I wanted to show is how easily the media lies everywhere, recycling the same tired s**t(fake news).

Edited by TheOldOligarch, 30 January 2017 - 01:47 AM.


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Posted 30 January 2017 - 02:30 AM

View PostBob Arctor, on 30 January 2017 - 12:21 AM, said:

They're just way more willing to make personal sacrifices for the sake of political action than conservatives are, and the squalid direction of American society over the last half century bears witness to this tragic fact.

Why can't we just flog them on the way to delousings? Most repub politicos I have known and know are more used car salesman than statesman. Makes it really hard to get excited about working with them.

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Posted 30 January 2017 - 02:32 AM

Also: I refuse to believe the people smashing things and getting pepper sprayed/arrested have significant careers/family. And this started with talk of the asshole airport protestors. They are students/deadbeats.

Edited by thaddius, 30 January 2017 - 02:33 AM.


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Posted 30 January 2017 - 02:38 AM

Most politicians are used car salesmen, not statesmen. It's the result of a combination of stupid people voting(e.g. Nigs in the case of America, drunk peasants or former communist party members in the case of Romania), a dishonest media and scale. The latter two divorce politicians from the communities they represent.

What the left is better at is keeping their politicians feet to the fire because many conservatives think voting once in a while is all there is to politics, despite it being only a small part of it. I sincerely hope Trump will start breaking this trend in America. He did start ending the muh principles and decorum cuckery so there's hope.

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Posted 30 January 2017 - 03:29 AM

View PostTheOldOligarch, on 30 January 2017 - 02:38 AM, said:

Most politicians are used car salesmen, not statesmen. It's the result of a combination of stupid people voting(e.g. Nigs in the case of America, drunk peasants or former communist party members in the case of Romania), a dishonest media and scale. The latter two divorce politicians from the communities they represent.

What the left is better at is keeping their politicians feet to the fire because many conservatives think voting once in a while is all there is to politics, despite it being only a small part of it. I sincerely hope Trump will start breaking this trend in America. He did start ending the muh principles and decorum cuckery so there's hope.
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Posted 30 January 2017 - 04:16 AM

View Postthaddius, on 30 January 2017 - 02:32 AM, said:

Also: I refuse to believe the people smashing things and getting pepper sprayed/arrested have significant careers/family. And this started with talk of the asshole airport protestors. They are students/deadbeats.

To be fair, the violent ones are usually a fairly tiny minority and aren't affiliated with the main protest organizers; sometimes (like in the DC Hag March) they're from anarchist groups like the ABCF who show up uninvited and humiliate themselves for attention, like a gauchiste version of Dicky Spence Sieg Heilin' at the Trump Washington. Other times (like at the airport) they're just random beaners, weirdoes, and nogs who are attracted to trouble like flies to s**t.

As far as not having significant careers and family, in my old 1990's social circle I know of an Ivy League BA/PhD, two Ivy League BA's, a Stanford PhD, a UT Austin MBA/JD and several other UMC professionals - all of whom attended and have helped organize at least one "spontaneous" protest march in the last couple of months, with many doing two or more. This idea that all of these left-liberal activists are unemployed, uneducated smack fiends with screwed-up personal lives from the dregs of society is self-flattering conservative wishful thinking that should have been thrown away decades ago; if that were really the case I'd wonder just why the conservative record in political conflicts over social issues has been one pathetic loss after another. It's always difficult for people born into traditional/conservative/religious families to understand just how common this insane degree of politicization is among even upper middle class left-liberals.

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Posted 30 January 2017 - 04:57 AM

My sister is a blue people bigwig married to an elected same. They aren't known for protest appearances or organizing. They do voter fraud/registration, and insider sneaky s**t + lobbying/phone trees/etc.

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Posted 30 January 2017 - 05:00 AM

I think the big thing is conservatives lean polite. I am not being flippant.

The idea of staging a demonstration, or even having to be harsh with people that need it, that is not a conservative strength. When we don't like you, we are polite about it. Left, not so much.

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Posted 30 January 2017 - 06:54 AM

View PostPLEASUREMAN, on 30 January 2017 - 01:16 AM, said:

View PostBob Arctor, on 30 January 2017 - 12:21 AM, said:

And contrary to the self-serving pablum pushed by conservatives, almost all of these high-involvement liberal activists have jobs and a healthy majority have at least some sort of family commitment. They're just way more willing to make personal sacrifices for the sake of political action than conservatives are, and the squalid direction of American society over the last half century bears witness to this tragic fact.

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No it's not.

It's just geography. When everyone only has to travel a couple miles to meet up, and if you lose a major contributor you can find a new one in the same area, then of course you'll be better organized.

This is all the land this nimwits have to travel, and all of their people are packed together like sardines.

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Similar amount of people, spread over a much larger area. Any meeting drawing a similar amount of people as Democratic meetings in the cities will be an all day, if not multiple day journey for many of the attendees versus Dems just going home at night.

Same thing with the protests. The backbone of protests are high time preference people. You need a whole lot of people to living close together to do this because low time preference people won't protest and high time preference people won't travel to protest.

Edited by parisian privilege, 30 January 2017 - 06:56 AM.


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Posted 30 January 2017 - 07:05 AM

View Postparisian privilege, on 30 January 2017 - 06:54 AM, said:

View PostPLEASUREMAN, on 30 January 2017 - 01:16 AM, said:

View PostBob Arctor, on 30 January 2017 - 12:21 AM, said:

And contrary to the self-serving pablum pushed by conservatives, almost all of these high-involvement liberal activists have jobs and a healthy majority have at least some sort of family commitment. They're just way more willing to make personal sacrifices for the sake of political action than conservatives are, and the squalid direction of American society over the last half century bears witness to this tragic fact.

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No it's not.

It's just geography. When everyone only has to travel a couple miles to meet up, and if you lose a major contributor you can find a new one in the same area, then of course you'll be better organized.

This is all the land this nimwits have to travel, and all of their people are packed together like sardines.

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This is Trump Land.

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Similar amount of people, spread over a much larger area. Any meeting drawing a similar amount of people as Democratic meetings in the cities will be an all day, if not multiple day journey for many of the attendees versus Dems just going home at night.

Same thing with the protests. The backbone of protests are high time preference people. You need a whole lot of people to living close together to do this because low time preference people won't protest and high time preference people won't travel to protest.
This trend isn't just American though. Same applies in England for example which is small and densely populated. In fact you get less conservative protests and political activity even though if you are just looking at geography it should be much easier for them to organise.

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Posted 30 January 2017 - 07:55 AM

The right finding protesting gauche and preferring to whine in between voting, i.e. being cucks, is pathetic. It's also contemptible if they actually justify not doing anything serious politically by them having families. Who the f**k do you think you're expected to be active politically for? Martians? I don't have kids yet, but I'm sure they'll appreciate more having a better country than me working overtime to buy them some cooler bike than they'd get otherwise or whatever.

It's even more pathetic than fatsoes who have no time for working out, yet they have plenty of time to watch TV. This needs to change because if you want to get your agenda in place, you need to constantly put pressure on people.

If right wingers did protests, the s**tlib ones would look pathetic because the right is far more civilised and wholesome looking. Despite the low population density, the tea parties were a good start. Nobody expects some small town to have protests with millions of participants, but you can have multiple small towns protest etc.

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Posted 30 January 2017 - 08:29 AM

Seems like the March for Life was pretty well attended. I don't buy that conservatives aren't willing to protest or march, however they seem to require a tenable cause, wheres lolberals being sentimental reactionaries can just have an aimless reason, hence large but ultimately useless events like OWS and the women's march.

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Posted 30 January 2017 - 08:46 AM

My own pozzed pastor pushed the March for Life hard, which shows at least some residual attachment to Church teaching. At the same time he pushed (passive aggressively, without naming names) the idea of protesting Trump and (once again, passive aggressively) endorsing the women's march. So on the one hand he's endorsing a very specific view of sexuality, personhood and how people should treat each other; on the other hand, he's endorsing a group that represents a grab-bag of causes, almost all of which oppose his stance on abortion and dozens of other core beliefs on sexual and personal dignity. And he's doing it largely on the basis of a first-paragraph understanding of current events and an impulse to open his mouth about them.

I recognize how culture-war issues are used and how focusing on them politically leads to misery. But this is a guy and a Church who are supposed to hold onto a "seamless garment" of principles that cannot be compromised. Media poz, and the culture that allows it to flourish, have a wide reach, even among people who should know much better.

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Posted 30 January 2017 - 08:58 AM

View PostHillary Dunning-Kruger Clinton, on 30 January 2017 - 08:29 AM, said:

Seems like the March for Life was pretty well attended. I don't buy that conservatives aren't willing to protest or march, however they seem to require a tenable cause, wheres lolberals being sentimental reactionaries can just have an aimless reason, hence large but ultimately useless events like OWS and the women's march.

I think there's a degree of truth to this as well; every bint who wore a 'pussy hat' and waved a DADDY HANDS OFF MY HOO HOO sign at the Women's March went home, counted the 'likes' and deemed that the day was a success regardless of whether anything concrete had been achieved. I'm just not sure at all that conservatives would turn up for the second and third marches after it was clear nothing had changed after the first.

I mean, look at these airport protests. Some of the videos are great- not only are the police avoiding engagement with shitlibs, they're silently walling them off behind doors and collecting overtime. The shitlibs are standing around a baggage claim wailing- "I have low T and I must scream." How many of us would want to go out again the week after that?

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Posted 30 January 2017 - 09:08 AM

I think a large part of it is that lefties know they can depend on sympathetic media coverage and support from the government, while any sizable right wing protest is either ignored or dismissed as a band of hateful bigots with nothing of value to say. Look at March for Life: President tweets support, VP speaking, tens of thousands in attendance, extremely photogenic. Media coverage? Bupkis. Don't you know there are a small fraction of that number screaming at people and making a scene in JFK? Priorities, goyim.

To us it may seem a small thing but to a right-leaning normie it has to be incredibly demoralizing.

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Posted 30 January 2017 - 09:47 AM

View PostGay-related humor deficiency, on 30 January 2017 - 07:05 AM, said:

View Postparisian privilege, on 30 January 2017 - 06:54 AM, said:


It's just geography. When everyone only has to travel a couple miles to meet up, and if you lose a major contributor you can find a new one in the same area, then of course you'll be better organized.

This is all the land this nimwits have to travel, and all of their people are packed together like sardines.

Posted Image

This is Trump Land.

Posted Image

Similar amount of people, spread over a much larger area. Any meeting drawing a similar amount of people as Democratic meetings in the cities will be an all day, if not multiple day journey for many of the attendees versus Dems just going home at night.

Same thing with the protests. The backbone of protests are high time preference people. You need a whole lot of people to living close together to do this because low time preference people won't protest and high time preference people won't travel to protest.
This trend isn't just American though. Same applies in England for example which is small and densely populated. In fact you get less conservative protests and political activity even though if you are just looking at geography it should be much easier for them to organise.

This reminds me of a quote, "In the US, one hundred miles is a short distance and one hundred years is a long time. In Europe, one hundred years is a short time and one hundred miles is a long distance."

Distance and population densities are still the keys. How long does it take to get to the London city center to protest? Does everyone take the train, or drive in one of your tiny cars? How much planning would it actually take to get there, and how do you get high time preference individuals to do it?

In the US, many leftist protesters are nogs, who live right there. And any right wing protest has to pass through nog territory. How many of your protesters are paki's? What about other nogs? Where do they live?

And many of the rest of the protesters are young, under 30, single and living outside their parents homes. Where is the population density of these people?

It's still geography, with a time-distance analysis.

There's a numerical disadvantage that must be overcome first, before people descend in psychological blame games. Just like the competition between illegal laborers and tax paying laborers. Illegals aren't doing the jobs Americans won't, they're doing jobs with a distinct numerical advantage in take home pay while underbidding competitors through tax evasion.

Edited by parisian privilege, 30 January 2017 - 10:10 AM.



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