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Who won the first debate?
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Poll: Who won the first debate? (151 member(s) have cast votes)

Who won the fucking debate, fuckhead?

  1. Donald Trump (79 votes [51.63%])

    Percentage of vote: 51.63%

  2. Hillary Clinton (15 votes [9.80%])

    Percentage of vote: 9.80%

  3. Lester Holt (can you believe this nigger?) (19 votes [12.42%])

    Percentage of vote: 12.42%

  4. Sam Hyde (debates are stupid I didn't even watch) (32 votes [20.92%])

    Percentage of vote: 20.92%

  5. Anglo's dad (Skype) (8 votes [5.23%])

    Percentage of vote: 5.23%

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Posted 26 September 2016 - 08:54 PM

Trump is at his best when he's on the offensive; his strongest moments tonight were when he forced Clinton to defend NAFTA, and when he brought up Clinton's complicity in birtherism. For the rest of the debate, he was playing defence. It's not a good look for him.

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Posted 26 September 2016 - 08:55 PM

View PostSo f**king Triggered, on 26 September 2016 - 08:42 PM, said:

I was really disappointed that he never brought up that when Iraq started she was a Senator and he a businessman not involved in politics. She voted for Iraq, when it was her job to know what was going on and serve the United States. She helped start Libya and gloated about it on tv. That's an easy shutdown of that line of attack.
Hillary's Libya mention was the part that had me screaming internally. Trump was a citizen, and she was a politician. Who had more influence in that situation??? "We came, we saw, he died." Enough said!

Overall, snoozer debate, but I think Trump did well and did his best in the first half: had some funny adlibs and retorts: "Wrong"—"Why not"—"That means I'm smart."

Hillary stammered out a couple times for her "f-fact checkers" to come to her rescue and went with the book-hawking Cernovich mindset strategy, which was rich. Also rich: she recycled that line about HOW GREAT the VIBRANCY of the BLACK CHURCH and COMMUNITY is as a reply to travails scoons face. "Ackshually, everything's fine . . ."—nobody believes this. People want action, not compliments.

What had me shaking my head, though, was when Trump agreed with Hillary about the extrajudicial gun laws re: no-fly list. :hardship:

Trump was by and large able to alpha Lester when he tried to interrupt. :duke: , but that was a straight setup that last question about Hillary not having when it takes when, ACKSHUALLY, she's standing right here and isn't she so great?


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Posted 26 September 2016 - 08:55 PM

I hoped that Clinton would have a coughing fit or some other glitch.  The fact that she didn't is a victory for her in light of the worries over her health.

Trump got one or two more laughs out of the crowd than did Clinton, which is good.  He was at his best when he went on the offensive, naturally.

I like Trump's style more than Clinton's style, of course.  But I'm not sure if that many undecideds will make up their minds based on this debate (knock on wood).  On the whole, I would call this debate a wash.  If any bigot has evidence to prove me wrong, then I'll be happy to hear it.

Some good news.  The fact that Clinton didn't choke will make it extra hard for her to back out of the next two debates.  That's two more chances for her drug cocktail to roll snake eyes.

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Posted 26 September 2016 - 09:06 PM

The debate was glorious to watch. Can anybody remember a thing that Hillary said? She was boring, rehearsed, and nobody wants to invite her into their living room after this debate. Trump was fun, energetic, and he spoke from the heart. The only people who can think that Hillary won this debate are already eagerly following along with the fact checkers on her website. If you wanted to see Trump bully Hillary onstage, then you don't understand how politics in America are played. People are not going to vote for the bully. Nor for the shrill-voiced harpy. They're going to vote for the person that they find most likable.

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Posted 26 September 2016 - 09:10 PM

Cognitive bias may be at play but...

I thought Trump went hard, which surprised me.  But when she did too, it suggested he knew she would and was going to hit her back blow for blow.  For every tax returns!, birther!, said mean thing!-- he came back with issues the voter actually cares about.  And she never responded.  She just puffed up that rictus smile and dismissed him as racist, liar, etc.  She played snark, he played impatience.  She directed people to her website while he just said what he would do.  Given the circumstances, I suspect voters will swallow his impatience rather than her snark.

I think she thinks she 'won' and she prolly did by 90s standards.  But she gave wonky responses to side issues no one cares about.  Her snark reveals self-regard and ego ("look at me 1st woman!").  Trump's impatience revealed the deep concern he has for the real issues-- the economy, state of the world, etc.  It was like a dad/mom argument-- she's using talking points and he's passing judgement.  Big difference in terms of resonance.

Was his impatience a misstep?  We'll see but I suspect his rough honesty will prove more persuasive than her emotionless scripting.

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Posted 26 September 2016 - 09:12 PM

View PostAnonymous Shitposter, on 26 September 2016 - 09:06 PM, said:

The debate was glorious to watch. Can anybody remember a thing that Hillary said?

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Posted 26 September 2016 - 09:21 PM

I didn't watch the debate from the beginning.

If Trump got more laughs out of the audience, then I missed those.

I watched the last 20 minutes or so.

Did Trump do best in the first half?

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Posted 26 September 2016 - 09:23 PM

View PostGabourey Sidibe, on 26 September 2016 - 09:10 PM, said:

Cognitive bias may be at play but...

I thought Trump went hard, which surprised me.  But when she did too, it suggested he knew she would and was going to hit her back blow for blow.  For every tax returns!, birther!, said mean thing!-- he came back with issues the voter actually cares about.  And she never responded.  She just puffed up that rictus smile and dismissed him as racist, liar, etc.  She played snark, he played impatience.  She directed people to her website while he just said what he would do.  Given the circumstances, I suspect voters will swallow his impatience rather than her snark.

I think she thinks she 'won' and she prolly did by 90s standards.  But she gave wonky responses to side issues no one cares about.  Her snark reveals self-regard and ego ("look at me 1st woman!").  Trump's impatience revealed the deep concern he has for the real issues-- the economy, state of the world, etc.  It was like a dad/mom argument-- she's using talking points and he's passing judgement.  Big difference in terms of resonance.

Was his impatience a misstep?  We'll see but I suspect his rough honesty will prove more persuasive than her emotionless scripting.

She Jewed it up for your clever silly fairweather friends on Facebook to gloat

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Posted 26 September 2016 - 09:25 PM

I was only able to watch the first half of the debate.   I was giving my kid a bath and putting him to bed and helping my wife with our evening routine, which is higher priority.

Trump did best during the discussion about trade and NAFTA, but I feel like he didn't really go for the killshot on that issue.  He really needs to beat her over the head on this issue, which is one of his main strengths.   Get the normies to understand that he supports the working class and American jobs, whereas she's a globalist tool.   Again, he did a decent job at this, but could have gone much farther.

Then he failed during the discussion on taxes.   He allowed Hillary to frame the issue as "tax cuts for the rich", which is bullshit.   Trump's proposed tax cuts apply to all tax brackets, especially the middle class and working class.    He should have hammered this home and drummed up support with working Americans that he's on their side.   Instead he let Hillary lead on this and lie about it, which was disappointing.

The whole thing about his tax returns was annoying.  It felt like he was unprepared for this line of questioning, which makes no sense.  He should have known these questions were coming and he should have a message ready for this.

I saw part of the birther thing, and that was annoying too.   He should have just said, "It's over.  Let's move on."   Which he did in a way, but then waffled a little bit.  

Didn't see the rest of the debate.   The kid's asleep now and it ended an hour ago.  

Hillary seemed to do a good job of pretending to be likable and presidential, and the fact that she didn't collapse or cough is a victory for her.  She also had a friendly moderator and softball questions on her side, however I think she completely blew her wad with her attacks on Trump (tax returns, birthers, tax cuts for the rich), and it seems to me like Trump intentionally phoned this one in with possibly the intention of going for the kill in later debates?   We can hope.

Overall, from what I'm reading, it seems the whole thing was a wash and kinda boring.

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Posted 26 September 2016 - 09:27 PM

I thought this was a disaster of a debate. Petty and vindictive is how I would describe it, and that is to Trump's favor. Trump is kind of expected to be a bit petty, and a bully, but Hillary is supposed to be this statesman like figure that is dignified and above it, and she came off as a complete cunt.

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Posted 26 September 2016 - 09:29 PM

Trump totally s**t the bed on accepting Hillary's framing of his tax plan.

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Posted 26 September 2016 - 09:29 PM

I noticed Trump constantly pivoted back to attacking politicians and the lack of results from Washington, great move. He had a rough start early on but from the economy on I thought he kept it tight.

He could have deployed more humor. Clinton had some awkward moments when she tried to be spontaneous that came off terribly, and a joke or two could have been great towards the end when he was on the defensive.

Anecdotally, a boomer-cuck relative who told me I was "irrational" for voting for Trump texted me that Trump was winning because "he's not afraid to go hard on Hillary." It'll be interesting to see what polls look like: I suspect he's not the only one who came away thinking that.



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Posted 26 September 2016 - 09:30 PM

On a side note even though we did a MAGA selfie in Trump hats and shirts right before the debates, I've only been defriended by one person on Facebook so far--kind of disappointing

Guess the better half and I will have to up the ante next time by posing with scary black rifles and printed out Pepe memes

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Posted 26 September 2016 - 09:30 PM

Please-- as if I would ever patronise Faceberg or have Jew friends.

View PostJacked Rhodesian, on 26 September 2016 - 09:23 PM, said:

View PostGabourey Sidibe, on 26 September 2016 - 09:10 PM, said:

Cognitive bias may be at play but...

I thought Trump went hard, which surprised me.  But when she did too, it suggested he knew she would and was going to hit her back blow for blow.  For every tax returns!, birther!, said mean thing!-- he came back with issues the voter actually cares about.  And she never responded.  She just puffed up that rictus smile and dismissed him as racist, liar, etc.  She played snark, he played impatience.  She directed people to her website while he just said what he would do.  Given the circumstances, I suspect voters will swallow his impatience rather than her snark.

I think she thinks she 'won' and she prolly did by 90s standards.  But she gave wonky responses to side issues no one cares about.  Her snark reveals self-regard and ego ("look at me 1st woman!").  Trump's impatience revealed the deep concern he has for the real issues-- the economy, state of the world, etc.  It was like a dad/mom argument-- she's using talking points and he's passing judgement.  Big difference in terms of resonance.

Was his impatience a misstep?  We'll see but I suspect his rough honesty will prove more persuasive than her emotionless scripting.

She Jewed it up for your clever silly fairweather friends on Facebook to gloat


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Posted 26 September 2016 - 09:32 PM

I was thinking this went mildly well which given what Trump was up against felt like a major win, then I got some phone calls from people that had relatives in prison and now feel like it must have gone over fantastically.

For the past year I've only been hearing about how these folks hated Trump, thought he was racist, out of touch, horrible asshole, and so on. Suddenly I hear that they're pro-Trump and that Trump got a lot of cheering. These are people that basically only get their news from a few random newspapers and teensie bit of cable TV (they don't watch the news a lot in there). So this seems like a good gauge for where the dumbest of people are leaning towards politically.

I've gotten chills from this, because it's so f**king eerie hearing this kind of rhetoric from this group.

"She sounded robotic"
"Trump sounded honest"

These comments, relayed to me, stuck in my mind. There's a clear reversal on where the common sentiment was just a few months ago and only after a single debate.

This feels like confirmation that the debate brought more eyes to Trump from the left and indeed come out turning some of these people that are usually the hardcore gibsmedat demographic. This debate feels f**king amazing now.

I've had a few conversations with hardcore liberals in my area in the past, each time finding it a little interesting how none supported Hillary (they liked Jill or Mr. Weed) which always perked up my spirits a little. This though, this is a weirdness I can't quite get over as it's showing a serious shift in opinion simply from seeing these two on stage. Most supporters of Hillary have never bothered to sit down and watch Trump, making this the major moment where they'd first see Trump. In spite of all the spin, which these people have repeated ad nauseam, there's a shift.

A shift into Trump's favor, with a group that has women that seriously talk of popping out babies for more welfare money.

Edit: I went out to get a bottle of wine to celebrate what at first looked like a milquetoast performance from Trump.

To those wanting to act like depressed f**ks over tonight, get over yourselves.I've been mulling over tonight as I went to the store. This was a night when average Americans tuned in and saw Trump for the first time outside any soundbites. They got to hear Trump talk about his basic positions and they got to hear him counter a ridiculous moderator as well as Hillary. Hillary was even forced to dance around Trump's points while all she could do was repeat her usual empty rhetoric.

I can only guess at the reasoning for this response I'm hearing about, but it feels like he's done well simply due to not backing down like so many Republican candidates of the past have been more than willing to do.

Edited by SLemon, 26 September 2016 - 10:15 PM.


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Posted 26 September 2016 - 09:35 PM

Millions have checked/will check Trump's Twitter feed as they routinely do following a debate. The hammering is looking good, but this one got my attention:


Iran isn't keeping their nukes because it doesn't have them.

Edited by Counter-Genocide Commissar, 26 September 2016 - 11:03 PM.


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Posted 26 September 2016 - 09:38 PM

I love that Trump threw in some media bait in the end when he said he wanted to go there with Hillary but wouldn't.


Edited by Shitlord Slam Poet, 26 September 2016 - 09:38 PM.


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Posted 26 September 2016 - 09:41 PM

Eh, on many of those topics, Trump had hanging sliders that he should have crushed out of the park.  For example, after Hillary lectured him about his comments with women, he could have brought up how she has taken tens of millions from Muslin countries.    

Overall, I don't think this debate will be of much consequence.

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Posted 26 September 2016 - 09:52 PM

Trump repeated a lot of his standard lines. Not too exciting for us, but for the people who have only heard about him on soundbites filtered through MSNBC talk shows it had to be a revelation. I would have liked to see him hit harder on the counterattack but for the most part I thought he did a good job using the debate time to sell himself to new viewers.

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Posted 26 September 2016 - 09:53 PM

The debate went fine, and I'd even say it went well. Trump made very strong points that normies have literally never seen before in terms of Clinton's history. Autistes have spent 8 hours a day for the last year and three months analyzing ever crook and cranny of ups/downs inherent in the news cycle. You can't see this with normie eyes.

Lots or Republicans saw the GOP media attacking Trump and immediately realized exactly what was happening; Trump started from the bottom and as the dominoes tumbled, he gained momentum. This is no different. He made some strong points and allowed the moderator bullshit to be on full display. Of course shitlibs aren't going to be swayed. The cat-s**t parasite is too deeply embedded in their brains at this point.

The same people fretting now are the same ones who thought lil' Marco PWN'd Trump and the same who thought that Cruz crushed him in lawgic trap.




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