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Posted 20 January 2018 - 03:13 PM

Peterson has recently been trending on Youtube thanks to his gentle but complete annihilation of Leftist interviewer Cathy Newman on British TV station Channel 4*:



JBP is a tenured Canadian professor and clinical psychologist. Calm and reserved with a collosal verbal IQ, he has a big cult following amongst right leaning people and serves as a father figure for many. He doles out sage advice on how to not be a complete f****t and for this he currently makes $60k per month on Patreon.

In 2016 Canada decided to make it illegal to not refer to trannies by their preferred pronoun, direct policing of language that should alarm anyone whose diet does not consist primarily of leaded paint. It didn't alarm many people in Canada though and JBP was one of the few to speak out against it. Coming out as Hitler in this way was what first bought him to prominence for many.

He talks about the lunacy of the Canadian bill among various other topics on his first Joe Rogan appearance where thankfully Rogan shuts the f**k up and lets him talk. The interview also serves as an excellent intro to Peterson and his beliefs:



Here he is dealing with the fallout:



Perhaps surprisingly for a Canadian professor, Peterson is also a devout Christian and has done extensive lectures on the Bible where he applies his love of Jungean archetypes to various Biblical stories:

https://jordanbpeter...terson-podcast/

He's regarded by many as "right wing" or "alt right" but has denied these labels and spoken at length about the dangers of ideology. He has naturally aligned with the right due to the left's infantilism and insanity and his willingness to point this out. He is primarily anti-left and frequency talks on the dangers of Leftism and Postmodernism, placing the Soviet Gulag alongside the Holocaust on equal terms and comparing compelled speech laws with Marxism.

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we need more Damores and Petersons and ZERO Spencers and Enochs

This is exactly the point. Spencer is a Leftist caricature of what they think the average right winger is like, he does no favours for anyone on our side. Neither Peterson nor Damore are overtly right wing, they are anti-left wing. Peterson can do more in one 30 minute interview to wake people up to the insanity that surrounds them than anything a Nazi-larping f****t could ever do.

As an example of how Peterson is a Leftism antiretroviral for society: Lindsay Shepherd, a teaching assisant at Wilfrid Laurier University in Ontario was teaching some bullshit course about gender or gays or whatever. She played a clip of Peterson questioning the need for 73 different gender pronouns followed by a clip of someone defending the idea, the point being that the students should consider both sides to form an opinion. In Canadian universities this is a faux pas on the same level as not wearing rainbow socks at the daily fag parade and she was quickly hauled up before her superiors to explain her egregious actions.

She secretly recorded the interview that you can listen to here, she crys a bit but overall does a great job arguing her side:



The story blew up and eventually the university president apologised to her:

http://www.cbc.ca/ne...pherd-1.4417809

I imagine that Shepard's career is effectively over but her sacrifice forced the Left to back off and be more cautious in future. They overreached and were firmly put back in line. Modern "conservatism" for a long time has never pushed back hard enough and the left has always gained ground when they overreached. The way that Peterson awakens people to this need to push back hard is invaluable.



*For reference this is all you need to know about Channel 4: http://www.dailymail...nel-4-year.html

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Posted 20 January 2018 - 03:23 PM

Thanks I was looking to see if anyone posted that vid. That is a textbook takedown of a Liberal Media StudyCunt.

Scott Adams had a very good analysis of it



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Posted 20 January 2018 - 03:27 PM

Peterson is interesting, but I take issue with your characterization of him as a "devout Christian." Peterson's answer to the question of God's existence is "I act as if God exists." When asked if the Christ's resurrection was real, he answers "His spirit lives on, doesn't it?" This is reasonable theism, but it isn't "devout Christianity" in the historical, creedal sense of the term.

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Posted 20 January 2018 - 03:27 PM

I've wrestling with Peterson's class lectures. He rambles all over the place and is far too enthusiastic about 20th Century psychoanalytic theories (especially Jung) for my taste. And serious students of Christianity will object to his allegorization of the Bible. I haven't gotten to where he starts talking about Solzhenitsyn or IQ yet, tho.

Oddly enough, he reminds me of the perennial philosophy or Traditionalist ideas that pop up occasionally on the far right. I wonder what Peterson thinks of Rene Guenon.

To his credit, he seems to be the only so-called "alt-lite" figure who isn't a goon or a charlatan.

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Posted 20 January 2018 - 03:31 PM

That interview was the greatest thing I have seen in a very long time. Absolute and total annihilation. The best part was when she asked why he should have freedom of speech to offend trannies. He asked why she should have the same freedom to question him in a hostile manner. If you look closely, you can see her soul die a little bit.

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Posted 20 January 2018 - 03:47 PM

View PostShrill, on 20 January 2018 - 03:27 PM, said:

Peterson is interesting, but I take issue with your characterization of him as a "devout Christian." Peterson's answer to the question of God's existence is "I act as if God exists." When asked if the Christ's resurrection was real, he answers "His spirit lives on, doesn't it?" This is reasonable theism, but it isn't "devout Christianity" in the historical, creedal sense of the term.

You're right, "devout" in that sense is too strong a word, I meant more "devoted to" as in it forms a strong part of his cultural beliefs and he is guided by Christian values.

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Posted 20 January 2018 - 04:01 PM

He's a good gateway drug.

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Posted 20 January 2018 - 04:12 PM

View PostE_R, on 20 January 2018 - 04:01 PM, said:

He's a good gateway drug.

It’s nice to see a femhag being parried by a good-looking, put-together, obviously intelligent and educated man who doesn’t allow her to fluster him. Cool, calm, collected, and ever-so-slightly condescending is a good look.

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Posted 20 January 2018 - 05:03 PM

Peterson grew up in in Fairview, a town of 2,000 people on the prairie in western Alberta. He's been married to his childhood sweetheart, Tammy, for almost 30 years. They've known each other since they were both eight and lived on the same street in Fairview.  They have a son, a daughter and one grandchild.

Peterson is really good in debates with shitlibs because he has this amazing ability to remain calm when almost anyone else would have chimped out. Like Trump, he's a wizard at holding frame. I find it inspirational to watch Peterson in action debating insane people.

As for a lot of his theories, some of it is high-level Jungian bunkum, but a lot of it is just common sense advice backed up my some social science and observation. For example, when he talks about how he counsels women to be more assertive in the workplace, it's based in positive behavioral modification and action, rather than incessant bullshit.  There's no mumbo-jumbo in "If you're going to go to work, you've got to take responsibility for your career and speak up for yourself. Stop being a pushover. Here, let's write down some concrete things you will do in the coming week." He might couch his advice in some soft-serve mythological confection, but it's still solid, spinach-flavored advice in the center.

One more thing, my wife is completely smitten with Peterson. He's a like rock star for right-leaning, middle-aged married women: handsome, intense and verbally adroit. His videos keep popping up in my faceberg feed, shared at an ever increasing rate by middle-aged married ladies. Peterson is going to be huge in a year or two. He'll have his own daytime talk show, if he wants it.

Edited by Cinco Jotas, 20 January 2018 - 05:03 PM.


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Posted 20 January 2018 - 05:24 PM

Peterson's most important message though is not the political one. It's when he tells millennials to grow up and also how to. I think this is basically what his new book (12 Rules for Life) is about but it's just a guess since I haven't read it yet.

One thing he says in a lecture I cannot find now is this idea of becoming more powerful, not in a sense of climbing the social ladder or mere bugman efficiency but rather by building good habits which compound and that there's no telling how much better the society could become if not only you could become an effective adult, maybe ten or a hundred times more effective thanks to this compounding, but those around you as well.

It's not exactly new. He does however have the charisma and the audience to hopefully make a difference.

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Posted 20 January 2018 - 06:17 PM

View PostREPORTERS YELL INDISTINCTLY, on 20 January 2018 - 05:24 PM, said:

Peterson's most important message though is not the political one. It's when he tells millennials to grow up and also how to. I think this is basically what his new book (12 Rules for Life) is about but it's just a guess since I haven't read it yet.

I don't want to go all neo-Marxist on you by saying that everything is political, but even Peterson's apolitical messages have political consequences. Politics is increasingly dominated by aggression and humiliation rooted in atomization and anomie. Powerless people seek out conflict and aggressive politics as a substitute for the stability missing in their own lives. This dynamic colors the minds of Peterson's followers and thus Peterson himself. Just by telling millennials to grow up and assume responsibilities, Peterson is challenging leftist social principles.

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Posted 20 January 2018 - 06:24 PM

View Postinternational frugalist Hernandez, on 20 January 2018 - 03:27 PM, said:

To his credit, he seems to be the only so-called "alt-lite" figure who isn't a goon or a charlatan.

"Alt-Lite" is just a mindless smear designed to misrepresent anyone on the right who isn't a white nationalist, you should stop using it.

Don't ever let your enemies frame the argument, ever.

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Posted 20 January 2018 - 07:09 PM

View PostREPORTERS YELL INDISTINCTLY, on 20 January 2018 - 05:24 PM, said:

One thing he says in a lecture I cannot find now is this idea of becoming more powerful, not in a sense of climbing the social ladder or mere bugman efficiency but rather by building good habits which compound and that there's no telling how much better the society could become if not only you could become an effective adult, maybe ten or a hundred times more effective thanks to this compounding, but those around you as well.


This is the reason why I have more than zero use for him (in spite of his tendency to speak about The Permanent Things like a f**king Episcopalian/Jesuit).

"You have a duty to master yourself, expand your power outward from there, and use it for good" is the perfect conceptual antidote to privilege politics on the one side and MRA resentment on the other.

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Posted 20 January 2018 - 07:43 PM

He’s helped at least a few boomers through their midlife crisis, which I suppose is positive for a mostly useless divorced conservadad struggling to accept his daughter’s spic boyfriend

Oprah for cucks? Or budding real talker? Something better?

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Posted 20 January 2018 - 07:58 PM

View PostPrime Minister Mark Latham (PBUH) AKA ENJ, on 20 January 2018 - 06:24 PM, said:

View Postinternational frugalist Hernandez, on 20 January 2018 - 03:27 PM, said:

To his credit, he seems to be the only so-called "alt-lite" figure who isn't a goon or a charlatan.

"Alt-Lite" is just a mindless smear designed to misrepresent anyone on the right who isn't a white nationalist, you should stop using it.

Don't ever let your enemies frame the argument, ever.

Once you start winning it seems like you become "alt lite"

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Posted 20 January 2018 - 08:05 PM

It is impossible to overstate the level of censorship and self-censorship present in academia today. You have to be extremely careful with what you say, and how you say it. Your body language, facial expressions, and emotions must be constantly on guard. Peterson compares this to how people behaved in the USSR during the Stalin era, and although the consequences for failing to conform certainly aren't even close to the same I can't help but recognize that sort of total, all-enveloping atmosphere of paranoia and authoritarianism. There's that old Stalinist trope about the first man to stop applauding him at a party conference being executed the next day, and I swear to God I find myself making sure I'm not the first person to stop clapping when the diversity officer gives some stupid presentation. It's really idiotic, I know, but things have gotten so crazy.  

The psychopaths run the asylum, and I do think these people (academic "neo-marxists" as Peterson calls them) are psychopathic. Mentally damaged (every f**king single one of them has mental problems, and usually physical health issues as well), hateful, cruel. They want nothing less that the total destruction of everything that is good and beautiful in the world. Funnily I find that many of these people are easy enough to get along with casually (as long as they think you are one of them), but every once in a while the mask slips a bit and you can see just how f**ked up they are. It becomes particularly clear in the way that the concept of violence is deployed - to silence on the one hand, and to delegitimize actual, real, bone and blood violence on the other hand. Not meeting with someone is violence, murdering innocent people is historical justice. Unironic calls for genocide only happen in two places - on /pol/ and in a college classroom. Theirs is an ideology of death.

Anyways I have a lot of respect for Jordan Peterson. There are more than a few people who think like him in academia, but most of us are cowards and charlatans. You have to be to get anywhere. Indeed in his first lecture on political correctness (which brought him to the public's attention) Peterson acknowledges him and his colleagues wrestling with this. So even though he has tenure (which is really important, considering how perilous and fragile a non-tenured position is), his decision to speak out was very brave and highly unusual.

It ended up working out well for him, ironically because there was such a negative reaction by the usual suspects. Slanderous articles, negative television interviews, and screeching protestors. If they'd just ignored his little lecture then he probably wouldn't be a "celebrity" today. So by becoming the first professor to really speak out against the current state of affairs in academia, and the controversy that entailed, he saved himself. His notoriety means he most likely won't be fired or driven out of his department (even if it does mean that he probably can't get any articles published and won't be cited anymore). He took a risk and it has paid off handsomely - good for him.

If a lost young man follows his advice successfully he will become a practicing Christian, a loving father and husband, and a useful member of society. If a lost young man follows scumbag scam artist like Spencer or Enoch, he'll become an isolated misanthrope. It can't be overstated how much good he does simply by preventing people from going down the path of anime, nazism, and nihilism. His advice is practical and helpful, regardless of whether or not you think he is politically orthodox enough. And other users are right that his apolitical advice is actually deeply political, and deeply subversive. This is clear in his Channel 4 interview, where the interviewer (a good proxy for shitlibs generally) was downright appalled that he was trying to help young men in particular get their lives together. The mask slipped, and the public got to see a bit of that psychopathy that I was talking about above. He brings that out of people, in his quiet, amiable, and reasonable way.

It's become a bit of a trope in academic pedagogy to talk about the need to become more accessible to the general public. Less obtuseness, less buzzwords, less pointless jargon. This is especially important for them in the age of DRUMPF. Of course, there's always a certain irony when this topic comes up because you can make journal articles or whatever as easy to read as you want but people still have to pay $30 to access them. But the thing is - Peterson is doing exactly what his colleagues have been talking about doing for years. He tailors his talks and lectures to the general public, and makes complex and obtuse ideas accessible to that audience. From a relatively conservative perspective, of course.

His brand of academic realtalk is an incredibly valuable thing. Any (alt-right) criticism inevitably comes off as pedantic and petty (he makes a lot of money on patreon! some of his religious ideas are wrong! he isn't right-wing enough!). So f**king stupid, and the people critiquing him are invariably the types who haven't cleaned their god damn room (this is probably why they hate him).

Edited by Harry Dexter Whyte, 20 January 2018 - 11:57 PM.


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Posted 20 January 2018 - 08:35 PM

I'm surprised it took us this long to have this thread.

View Postinternational frugalist Hernandez, on 20 January 2018 - 03:27 PM, said:

I've wrestling with Peterson's class lectures. I haven't gotten to where he starts talking about Solzhenitsyn or IQ yet, tho.

You can easily find decent 10-15 minute clips of his IQ stuff on youtube with simple searching. Nothing he says will surprise an MPCer, though (apart from his willingness to talk about it openly in a contemporary university classroom).

Edited by the Wizard of Poz, 20 January 2018 - 08:59 PM.


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Posted 20 January 2018 - 09:16 PM

View PostShrill, on 20 January 2018 - 07:09 PM, said:

"You have a duty to master yourself, expand your power outward from there, and use it for good" is the perfect conceptual antidote to privilege politics on the one side and MRA resentment on the other.

Goethe, Maxims and Reflections:

“Everything which liberates our spirit, without increasing our mastery of ourselves, is ruinous.”

"Alles, was unsern Geist befreit, ohne uns die Herrschaft über uns selbst zu geben, ist verderblich."

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Posted 21 January 2018 - 05:47 AM

Great post, HDW.

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the path of anime, nazism, and nihilism

This deserves to be a thread title.

Anyway, about Peterson, here's a video he did with Camille Paglia on Post-Modernism:



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Posted 21 January 2018 - 07:25 AM

I started watching his online lectures around the same time I discovered MPC. There's a pretty fat center slice in the venn diagram between the two.  This article in the Chronicle of Higher Education gives a pretty good overview of the several layers of JP's youtube personality. He could stand to lower his vocal pitch a few notches, but at least he's passionate.  His theology is also obviously heterodox, but I doubt he'd be able to motivate so many people to hop on the Bible bandwagon if he wasn't genuinely trying to figure things out for himself. He's hampered by his Darwinian literalism from truly acknowledging God as creator, but that's typical of our agnostic age, and has even led him to some interesting thoughts about the development of color vision, ape-serpent dynamics, and whatev'r.

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