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Posted 01 April 2017 - 05:06 PM

View PostKebab saving robot, on 01 April 2017 - 08:39 AM, said:

View Postsome kind of evil racist santa claus, on 31 March 2017 - 11:05 PM, said:

How hostile are they to government, really? Half the adult good guys are cops(Aurors?), the protags end up with gov jobs in the epilogue. The ministry is bad when it's run by generic evil villains but its existence and ridiculous levels of involvement in everything aren't really questioned.

The cops only ever do anything good when they're working for a private paramilitary organization. Government workers on government business oppose the protagonist at every turn and then get rolled by the bad guys in like a day. The protagonist personally dislikes all of the politicians that he meets. It's not Ayn Rand: The Children's Book but it's not obvious left wing political fodder.

My guess is that libs latch onto Harry Potter because it's the only thing they've read that features a heroic narrative.

Ideally we could capture local school boards and start getting our people in administrative and teaching positions. Control of the curriculum is important but I think it's more important to have control of the personnel. Shitlibs reproduce by brainwashing kids. If that gets cut off at the source it would have all kinds of positive downstream effects.

It is obvious left wing fodder in that the bad guys are clearly Nazi/KKK stand-ins. In any case, the real angle is the worship of higher-ed. All the good guys--actually all of the developed adult characters--are professors at Hogwarts. Also note they aren't "teachers" like in a high-school, which makes clear we're dealing with a university stand-in.

The magic government appears to employ practically all of the magic-adults who aren't professors at Hogwarts in pointless make-work jobs, but this isn't depicted as a bad thing. Since magic or elfs do all the real work, the magic world is in effect a socialist utopia where as Marx predicted labor has become not only a means of life but life's prime want. The ineffectiveness of the magic government is more of a leftist critique of complacent liberal governance. The main good guy, Dumbledore, leads an underground antifa group that provides the only real opposition to the fascists who are always about to seize power. Basically the message is that University is the center of the world and the state should just obey leftist academics.

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Posted 01 April 2017 - 07:46 PM

These critiques of HP really ought to get their own thread--they're fantastic.

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Posted 01 April 2017 - 10:42 PM

I'm not trying to make an NRO-style Conservative Case for Harry Potter. My point is just that it isn't left-wing message fic like The Handmaid's Tale, doesn't have overt political themes like recent Marvel Comics, and contains a noticeable amount of wrongthink. In terms of politicized children's or YA fiction it's fairly middle of the road. So it's unlikely shitlibs latched onto it because it had a message that spoke to them. They just literally don't have the vocabulary to relate a heroic narrative except in terms of Harry Potter. Their vocabulary for political intrigue seems limited to House of Cards and Game of Thrones.

In 1984 they had to use a whole squad of jackbooted thugs to eradicate beautiful memes from the culture. It's disturbing to watch the same process happen on its own as a natural outgrowth of s**tlib-ism without a tyrannical government organizing everything.

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Posted 02 April 2017 - 05:13 AM

View PostProfessional Acid Washer, on 01 April 2017 - 03:40 PM, said:

Your average high school kid will give absolutely no f**ks about any books foisted on them. Unless they're in an AP class, everyone will try to pass while reading as little of the books as possible. That's what happened when we read Brave New World in high school. Only one person in the class liked the book, and it was only because of that scene where they go "orgy porgy." I doubt anyone in that class could remember any of the messages, themes, or plot points in that book.

View Postcatullus, on 01 April 2017 - 01:25 PM, said:

Nah. we read the Giver and Hatchet in school, and 1984 and Brave New World in freshman lit in college. They're pretty common on syllabi. Also Orwell was a democratic socialist, Huxley a quietist pacifist, and so on -- all these things don't point unmistakably to shitlordism like you're implying.

When I first read BNW in high school I thought it might imply right wing moralism, but then I read Huxley's "Island" where he presented his solution to the BNW problem and it involved lots of mescaline and generally acting like worthless f****t hippies. He basically just thought that people were having drug addled sex in the wrong context. This was part of my eventual realization that liberals were worthlessly effete spineless f****ts

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Posted 02 April 2017 - 01:04 PM

My only run-in with harry potter was getting dragged to one of the films while on R&R by a bunch of other joes in my unit. It was somewhere in the middle of the series and I had no idea what the f**k was going on. The only thing I remember is one guy a few rows up had a whistling booger so loud it was distorting the dialogue every time he breathed.

So when people start talking harry potter lingo all I can think about it is the sound of snot.

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Posted 02 April 2017 - 06:46 PM

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The bad guys are the overt race supremacists. The good guys are undeniably part of a superior race. They don't befriend, live among, or really interact at all with their racial inferiors. But the good guys say nice things about the inferior race, and manage world events to keep the inferiors safe from dangers they can barely understand, let alone defend themselves against. Bonus: this includes censoring news so that the inferiors don't hear about troubling things and go into an irrational panic.

The Ministry of Magic is an apartheid regime. I pointed this out to some of my s**tlib friends once and they were totally floored. It's a fun party trick (if your party sucks). My question is, how does someone live with one foot in this universe at all times and not recognize the obvious?

It goes to confirm my general theory that most people on the "left" have no clue what it is that makes them detest the moral systems they supposedly oppose. For example, a run-of-the-mill lefty might gasp in horror at blackface, but has no qualms about mimicking negro dialect for comedic effect.

:librage: aww hell naw

The key takeaway is that Clinton's core constituency has to read blogs every day to learn what they're supposed to be offended by.

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Posted 02 April 2017 - 07:04 PM

View PostBonobo Mindset, on 02 April 2017 - 06:46 PM, said:

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The bad guys are the overt race supremacists. The good guys are undeniably part of a superior race. They don't befriend, live among, or really interact at all with their racial inferiors. But the good guys say nice things about the inferior race, and manage world events to keep the inferiors safe from dangers they can barely understand, let alone defend themselves against. Bonus: this includes censoring news so that the inferiors don't hear about troubling things and go into an irrational panic.

The Ministry of Magic is an apartheid regime. I pointed this out to some of my s**tlib friends once and they were totally floored. It's a fun party trick (if your party sucks). My question is, how does someone live with one foot in this universe at all times and not recognize the obvious?

It goes to confirm my general theory that most people on the "left" have no clue what it is that makes them detest the moral systems they supposedly oppose. For example, a run-of-the-mill lefty might gasp in horror at blackface, but has no qualms about mimicking negro dialect for comedic effect.

:librage: aww hell naw

The key takeaway is that Clinton's core constituency has to read blogs every day to learn what they're supposed to be offended by.
eventually they'll spend all day reading those blogs and we win by default.

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Posted 03 April 2017 - 04:19 AM

View PostChrome, on 01 April 2017 - 05:06 PM, said:

The magic government appears to employ practically all of the magic-adults who aren't professors at Hogwarts in pointless make-work jobs, but this isn't depicted as a bad thing. Since magic or elfs do all the real work, the magic world is in effect a socialist utopia where as Marx predicted labor has become not only a means of life but life's prime want. The ineffectiveness of the magic government is more of a leftist critique of complacent liberal governance. The main good guy, Dumbledore, leads an underground antifa group that provides the only real opposition to the fascists who are always about to seize power. Basically the message is that University is the center of the world and the state should just obey leftist academics.

I read the books as an adult and they were OK fiction, but the poz was thick. Consider the U.N. approved romance:

Harry Potter's first love interest was asian.
Ron's date to his first dance was Indian.
Ron's sister was mudsharking with the token black guy.

Then, the actress that played Hermione was a manjawed feminist even as a young girl and is now a shrieking adult version of the girl she portrayed in the movie.

But the biggest poz was to find out that Snape was a lovelorn cuck the entire time. He was looking after the child (Potter) of the women he pined for as a teenager that she banged out with the dude that bullied him in high school.

To put it in Potter-verse lingo: The last part was an unforgivable curse.

It's no wonder to me that so many weak men and feminists like this movie series and books. It has miscegenation of course, but most importantly it has a pathetic guy that is in love with a dead chick that treated him like crap and had a kid with another man that he hated. A kid that he now feels compelled to look after and protect forever despite being treated like garbage by this woman.

It's perfect allegory to what modern feminists want from today's man: Alpha f**ks and beta bucks.

Once I saw what was going on, I rooted for Voldemort to burn the place down.

Edited by Jimmy McDangles, 03 April 2017 - 04:36 AM.


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Posted 03 April 2017 - 08:21 AM

I only read the first two or three books.  I wasn't all that put out by those books.  The part that did annoy me the most was the way Rowling treated Potter's foster family.  They were unforgivably middle class and could do nothing right.  The way Rowling held against Dursley that he knew all sorts of things about nail weights (he ran a hardware store --ugh!) was offputting.  Yeah, how horrible that the guy knows about how the real world works instead of being fascinated with pidgin Latin spells (Interpone in recto meo!), but they f**kING LOVE SCIENCE. :rolleyes:

View PostJimmy McDangles, on 03 April 2017 - 04:19 AM, said:

But the biggest poz was to find out that Snape was a lovelorn cuck the entire time. He was looking after the child (Potter) of the women he pined for as a teenager that she banged out with the dude that bullied him in high school.

IIRC, didn't Potter's father save Snape's life?  There was some reference to that.  I get the sense from the first book that Rowling wrote herself into a bit of a corner, found Snape too obvious a villain, and then just went down the Law & Order Route--It was THIS guy we interviewed at the beginning of the show all along.

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Posted 03 April 2017 - 09:08 AM

If Trump is not invited to Hogwarts, that means Hogwarts is Illuminati confirmed. Pop secret societies.

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Posted 03 April 2017 - 12:03 PM

View Postwomb raider, on 01 April 2017 - 08:11 AM, said:

I'm betting you can't find anything by Rand in a elementary-high school library anymore. They've probably been silently purged.


Actually my daughter was assigned Anthem as required reading last summer.

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Posted 03 April 2017 - 01:41 PM

View PostDr. Hasslein, on 03 April 2017 - 08:21 AM, said:

IIRC, didn't Potter's father save Snape's life?  There was some reference to that.  I get the sense from the first book that Rowling wrote herself into a bit of a corner, found Snape too obvious a villain, and then just went down the Law & Order Route--It was THIS guy we interviewed at the beginning of the show all along.

I don't recall the entire story in the book. In the movies it was shown that Potter's father basically bullied Snape. While at the same time Snape pined for the love of the girl he couldn't have. At the high drama point of the movie, it was also made clear that Snape promised to protect the boy of the woman he loved at all personal risk and expense.

In other words, he was the perfect modern cuck male that all blue hairs dream about.

Also, JK Rowling was a single mother when she wrote the book if I recall (and on welfare). So we can just assume there was a lot of projection going on of what she wanted in a man and government.

Edited by Jimmy McDangles, 03 April 2017 - 01:44 PM.


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Posted 03 April 2017 - 02:30 PM

I don't know how much Rowling had fleshed out at the start.  Snape's role may have evolved after Alan Rickman was cast--it's not unusual for writers to be influenced by the movies about their books.

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Posted 03 April 2017 - 02:36 PM

View Postgrab her by the weev, on 02 April 2017 - 05:13 AM, said:

He basically just thought that people were having drug addled sex in the wrong context.

Related to that, you might read and cherish based Starship Troopers as a teenager, as womb raider mentioned -- but then you get a little older and read Stranger in a Strange Land and the Later Heinlein when your parents aren't looking, and now you're infected with a bullshit idealistic libertinism that won't go away until several years of :hardship: beat it out of you the hard way.

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Posted 03 April 2017 - 02:48 PM

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Oh yeah and I forgot Starship Troopers ... that's a teenage red pill wrapped as an entertaining sci-fi novel. Heinlein was one woke motherfucker in his books.

Catullus is right.  You read his later books (Time Enough for Love, To Sail Beyond the Sunset--that features some literal racial cuck fantasization, The Door into Summer--borderline pedophilia), and you are left one weird dude.

:caplan: One of US!

Edit: I'm remembering the plot for To Sail Beyond Sunset, and it had a whole mishmash of IAH and WWT-worthy stuff.  In short: Old man is dying, wants to transplant his brain into new body.  Has outlaw pedo-Aussie do it, but pedo-Aussie doctor has to use old man's hot secretary, who died in a mugging.  Then old man falls in love with his Jew lawyer, who dies of a heart attack after knocking up old man in hot secretary's body, but don't worry, they transfer jew-lawyer's spirit into new baby's body at birth.

:librage: Genius!!

He voted for Goldwater. :mel:

Old Goldwater, or new and improved pro-choice Goldwater? :librage:

Old school :mel:

:librage:

Edited by Dr. Hasslein, 03 April 2017 - 03:01 PM.


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Posted 03 April 2017 - 02:53 PM

View PostPLEASUREMAN, on 03 April 2017 - 02:30 PM, said:

I don't know how much Rowling had fleshed out at the start.  Snape's role may have evolved after Alan Rickman was cast--it's not unusual for writers to be influenced by the movies about their books.

As an aside, I suspect  the biggest influence on the length of the later novels was her own earlier success:

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J.K. Rowling

There are 76,944 words in Harry Potter and the Sorcerer’s Stone
There are 85,141 words in Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets
There are 107,253 words in Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban
There are 190,637 words in Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire
There are 257,045 words in Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix
There are 168,923 words in Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince
There are 197,651 words in Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows

SOURCE: http://bitlather.com...a-fantasy-novel

When your novels don't move any units, your editor (assuming the publishing house hasn't dropped you yet) has a fair bit of sway; when your books sell like hotcakes and get made into movies for a breathless waiting audience, your editor's influence is more circumscribed. The later books have, shall we say, a little more backstory, and boy is it shown. She sold millions of books and quickly achieved cash cow status . . . no editor wants to mess with that.

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Posted 03 April 2017 - 03:00 PM

Yeah, I remember seeing the first really big book and thinking, are you kidding me?

Edited by Dr. Hasslein, 03 April 2017 - 04:21 PM.


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Posted 03 April 2017 - 04:38 PM

View PostPLEASUREMAN, on 03 April 2017 - 02:30 PM, said:

I don't know how much Rowling had fleshed out at the start.  Snape's role may have evolved after Alan Rickman was cast--it's not unusual for writers to be influenced by the movies about their books.

I think Rowling wrote the first book as a simple children's story about a magical world that kids would find alluring with one-dimensional characters that were either good or bad.  I don't think she ever had big plans for the whole series.  I've read all of the books and I've noticed that the entire foundation of the story arc almost completely rests on the second book, which was released before the first film.  Apparently, Rowling didn't just have one editor - there was an entire team of people that worked with her on the series, implying that Rowling and her publisher thought they could turn the first book into a series that would become a serious cash cow.  

I guess they also decided to turn the series into a poz cow too.

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Posted 03 April 2017 - 04:45 PM

See also Stephen King, who, by his own admission, suffers from "diarrhea of the word processor."  Then there was Robert Jordan, the creator of The Wheel of Time series of goon-lit.  That series may deserve a whole thread to itself.  After it became obvious that he had a ticket to ride from those books, he got self-indulgent.  Entire books of that series have been given bad reviews by his own fans because those cat ladies would spend yet another $30 on yet another 800-page door stop only to find NO PLOT; just relationship drama that was pointless even by the standards of pulp fantasy.

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Posted 03 April 2017 - 04:59 PM

The fat f**k behind Game of Thrones got lazy too since he found he can make money signing autographs rather than write books and is milking his series for all its worth. Not only his productivity went down, but the TV series is going to overtake his books in plot development despite a headstart of a bunch of books.



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