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#41 Bumbling American

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Posted 06 January 2017 - 06:56 PM

Please correct me if I'm wrong but the issue here is that the Russians may or may not have been responsible for exposing documents that (1) were damaging and the DNC was dumb enough to put in writing (2) the DNC was too dumb to protect properly and (3) the DNC was too dumb not to flat-out disavow...how is this not purely an exposure of DNC fuckups, regardless of who's responsible, as opposed to HACKING THE ELECTION



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Posted 06 January 2017 - 08:03 PM

View PostBumbling American, on 06 January 2017 - 06:56 PM, said:

Please correct me if I'm wrong but the issue here is that the Russians may or may not have been responsible for exposing documents that (1) were damaging and the DNC was dumb enough to put in writing (2) the DNC was too dumb to protect properly and (3) the DNC was too dumb not to flat-out disavow...how is this not purely an exposure of DNC fuckups, regardless of who's responsible, as opposed to HACKING THE ELECTION

Yep, a perfect example of our modern media's gaslighting program, and of how hapless so-called conservatives facilitate it:  no one has made a serious assertion that the vote totals were changed; no one has even made a serious argument that the various leaks contained inaccurate information.  Yet the average Democrat likely believes that Putin directly altered the result of the election, because every headline, every article, every TV segment, describes the story as, "Russia hacked the election!!!!!"

I just watched a lengthy segment on Fox News with Catherine Herridge waxing dramatic about how this Intelligence report on Russia is the strongest worded report she's seen.  I generally like Catherine Herridge well enough, and of course she does finally get around to mentioning that a) the report is essentially a collection of bald assertions, completely bereft of evidence because all of the evidence is classified, and b) that the Russians didn't interfere with the vote tally -- but by the time she gets around to those two crucial facts, everyone's been subjected to 20 minutes of "Report: Putin ordered hacking" on the under-screen crawl.

Then you have the usual assortment of Neocons jumping on the inquiry bandwagon, lending credence to the parade of solemn-faced liberals grimly vowing to end this grievous threat to our "electoral process."  These are supposed to be Trump's allies, and Fox is the putatively conservative cable news network.

The end result is an electorate, or post-electorate in this case, that is completely misinformed.  And those who aren't misinformed end up looking like crackpots or shills if we concede that the hacking did happen, but it wasn't actually germane to the election.  (Just kidding; people like us usually proceed straight to mockery.)

In fact, all of the leaks from the DNC and Podesta's emails were authentic, and extremely damaging.  They revealed a pattern of corrupt behavior and (perhaps more damaging) a disgustingly supercilious and cavalier attitude among Clinton and her courtiers.  If Putin did expose that information to the American people, then he provided a public service.  

And in fact, the only evidence we have of direct voter fraud implicates the Democrats.

But most important of all is our daily reminder:  these same f****ts huffing smelling salts over the scandalous prospect that a foreign power "influenced" our election have spent the last several decades importing foreigners to vote in our elections.

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Posted 06 January 2017 - 08:17 PM

My take (perhaps adding nothing new):  This is an attempt by corrupt, "deep state" agencies to delegitimize the Trump Presidency.  They've offered nothing but anonymous officials, innuendo, and zero meaningful evidence.  What they have done, however, is project their own meddling into the election onto Russia.  These agencies vote majority blue and have become heavily politicized agencies, like the DOJ with Trayvon and Mike Brown, for example.  They were established in the Cold War for Cold War purposes, and having outlived their intended existence, now act as a pressure group for additional globalist adventure and entanglement.

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Posted 06 January 2017 - 08:46 PM

You can read the unclassified report here: https://www.scribd.c...nce-in-Election

Basically, it says that RT and other media attempted to influence the outcome of the election by persuasion. The report states specifically, in bold print: "DHS assesses that the types of systems Russian actors targeted or compromised were not involved in vote tallying."

It asserts, without offering any evidence whatsoever, that entities affiliated with Russia hacked into "the DNC."

USG and MSM have zero credibility.

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Posted 06 January 2017 - 10:49 PM

The whole affair also displays the weird complex Westerners have in viewing non-Western rivals as absurdly more prescient and capable... in order for "RUSSIA HACKED THE ELECTION WITH A STRATEGIC LEAK" to have legs as a narrative, it involves nonsensical assumptions:

1. Leaking these internal party docs would affect the vote in a manner that could concievably change the results
2. The effect would necessarily be that of suppressing Hillary turnout and boosting Trump turnout
3. Russian intelligence knew 1 and 2 and acted accordingly as part of some master chess plan (as opposed to intuiting that 1 & 2 were probably true and throwing s**t at a wall to see if it stuck, much like the dried-up lesbian gourds on Hillary's campaign tried 'hacking the election' with fifteen simultaneous rape accusations)

The first is completely unpredictable and, even with the advantage of hindsight, virtually impossible to quantify right now; the second seems plausible, but again, there's no guarantee (the sheer quantity of fake scandals aimed against him now seems to have helped Trump, for example.)

Washington is made up of people with no confidence in their own coworkers' ability to find their ass with both hands, yet many believe that the Slav (or Chink or Northern Gook) has the gift of future-seeing, a relic of the Siberian shaman blood that courses through his potato-hardened veins.

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Posted 06 January 2017 - 11:07 PM

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1. Leaking these internal party docs would affect the vote in a manner that could concievably change the results

They also assert this while simultaneously crying that there was nothing incriminating in the emails.

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Posted 07 January 2017 - 04:23 PM

What does the NYTimes, NEWSPAPER OF RECORD, have to say about the latest Russian hacking report?

http://www.nytimes.c...ack-russia.html

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Soon after leaving the meeting, intelligence officials released the declassified, damning report that described the sophisticated cybercampaign as part of a continuing Russian effort to weaken the United States government and its democratic institutions.

Damning! The report is damning! We have incontrovertible proof that Russia made Donald Drumpf President in an effort to legitimize Western democracies! The Cold War never ended, Russia is walking all over us!

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The report — a virtually unheard-of, real-time revelation by the American intelligence agencies that undermined the legitimacy of the president who is about to direct them — made the case that Mr. Trump was the favored candidate of Mr. Putin.

Wow, just wow! The Russians had a preferred candidate, and it was Donald Drumpf! This is absolutely shocking! Outrageous! Something must be done!

Just imagine a world where world leaders endorsed US Presidential candidates! Imagine if Hollande endorsed Clinton! Imagine if the BBC, Spiegel, and other international outlets published almost entirely pro-Clinton propaganda! It would be unacceptable international influence!

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The public report lacked the evidence that intelligence officials said was included in a classified version, which they described as information on the sources and methods used to collect the information about Mr. Putin and his associates. Those would include intercepts of conversations and the harvesting of computer data from “implants” that the United States and its allies have put in Russian computer networks

The Russians hacked the US! The Russians hacked the US!

PS: We know this because we've been hacking the Russians this whole time.

PPS: You can't actually see any of the evidence, just trust us. The US intelligence community's credibility is well-known to be above all doubt.

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The declassified report did describe in detail the efforts of Mr. Putin and his security services, including the creation of the online Guccifer 2.0 persona and DCLeaks.com to release information gained from the hacks to the public.

'In detail.'

Here's the incredible depth which the report goes into:

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We assess with high confidence that the GRU used the Guccifer 2.0 persona, DCLeaks.com, and WikiLeaks to release US victim data obtained in cyber operations publicly and in exclusives to media outlets.

Guccifer 2.0, who claimed to be an
independent Romanian hacker, made multiple
contradictory statements and false claims
about his likely Russian identity throughout the
election.  Press reporting suggests more than
one person
claiming to be Guccifer 2.0
interacted with journalists.

Content that we assess was taken from e-mail
accounts targeted by the GRU in March 2016
appeared on DCLeaks.com starting in June.
We assess with high confidence that the GRU
relayed material it acq
uired from the DNC and
senior Democratic officials to WikiLeaks.
Moscow
most likely chose WikiLeaks because of its self
-proclaimed reputation for authenticity.
Disclosures
through WikiLeaks did not contain any evident forgeries.

More pathetic than the US ((intelligence)) community shilling the Russians-did-it-line is the complicity of the domestic media, the same domestic media that cries FAKE NEWS. There is literally nothing whatsoever of substance in the report, yet the predominant media narrative is practically DRUMPF IS FINISHED THIS TIME.

The real story is that journalists aren't outraged by international interference in the election, to the extent that foreign media news coverage is considered interference - and that's the main thrust of the report, that Russia Times and other "pro-Russian" outlets disseminated pro-Trump information - it's that Russian media coverage dared to go against the ((international consensus)) coverage. Reading der Spiegel after the election was like looking at the front page of The Huffington Post. The "respectable" foreign media was almost 100% for Clinton and made absolutely no secret of it.

That's what really triggers these journalists, that's what makes them willing to go to war with Russia - the fact they didn't toe the ((consensus)) line, not that they picked a side. That's why Saudi princes s**tting on Trump is okay, and why Saudi Arabia can continue to be one of our GREATEST ALLIES while Russia remains the enemy.

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Posted 07 January 2017 - 05:03 PM

View PostUltimus Americanum, on 07 January 2017 - 04:23 PM, said:

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Soon after leaving the meeting, intelligence officials released the declassified, damning report that described the sophisticated cybercampaign as part of a continuing Russian effort to weaken the United States government and its democratic institutions.

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The report — a virtually unheard-of, real-time revelation by the American intelligence agencies that undermined the legitimacy of the president who is about to direct them — made the case that Mr. Trump was the favored candidate of Mr. Putin.

:lol: Pure nigthink writing, words strung together with no meaning but to sound IMPORTANT. What is a "real-time revelation"? -- sounds like something the reporter had when his gay boss told him to just relax and breathe slowly.

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Posted 08 January 2017 - 11:22 AM

View PostUltimus Americanum, on 07 January 2017 - 04:23 PM, said:

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The declassified report did describe in detail the efforts of Mr. Putin and his security services, including the creation of the online Guccifer 2.0 persona and DCLeaks.com to release information gained from the hacks to the public.

'In detail.'

Here's the incredible depth which the report goes into:

Quote

We assess with high confidence that the GRU used the Guccifer 2.0 persona, DCLeaks.com, and WikiLeaks to release US victim data obtained in cyber operations publicly and in exclusives to media outlets.

Guccifer 2.0, who claimed to be an
independent Romanian hacker, made multiple
contradictory statements and false claims
about his likely Russian identity throughout the
election.  Press reporting suggests more than
one person
claiming to be Guccifer 2.0
interacted with journalists.

Content that we assess was taken from e-mail
accounts targeted by the GRU in March 2016
appeared on DCLeaks.com starting in June.
We assess with high confidence that the GRU
relayed material it acq
uired from the DNC and
senior Democratic officials to WikiLeaks.
Moscow
most likely chose WikiLeaks because of its self
-proclaimed reputation for authenticity.
Disclosures
through WikiLeaks did not contain any evident forgeries.

More pathetic than the US ((intelligence)) community shilling the Russians-did-it-line is the complicity of the domestic media, the same domestic media that cries FAKE NEWS. There is literally nothing whatsoever of substance in the report, yet the predominant media narrative is practically DRUMPF IS FINISHED THIS TIME.

Also notice that none of the above was anything that wasn't already publicly available on Wikipedia. The CIA model of "Junior Analyst -> Senior Analyst -> along up the chain" is simply a great way to create political groupthink. I hope Trump defunds the organization.

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Posted 08 January 2017 - 11:41 AM

The reporting on this by mainstream media has been atrocious.  Of course Jew "press critics" like Jay Rosen haven't said a word about it.  Even though several silicon valley security firms have exposed it as totally brazen and incompetent fibbing (he hates Trump so he averts his eyes from egregious press misconduct).

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Posted 08 January 2017 - 01:13 PM

Reince Priebus bumblingly concedes it was Russia.

Or does he? Here's what he says word for word, when asked:

"Well, sure, I mean, he's not denying that, that, that, entities in Russia.... in in, eh, were behind this particular hacking campaign but let me just... can you pl- let me just respond to your point though, you say never have we had such a massive… yeah but, here what we have, we have the DNC as a sitting duck, if we have a person sit, wait a second Chris, wait a second, because it matters to your point, it matters…"

He did say entities in Russia, not "the Russian government". It's nonetheless being reported as an official U-turn on behalf of the Trump campaign.

Nothing definitive on Trump's twitter either. The closest he gets to commenting is having retweeted this about the time the Priebus interview was aired:


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Posted 08 January 2017 - 06:22 PM

View PostSam Hyde, on 08 January 2017 - 11:22 AM, said:

View PostUltimus Americanum, on 07 January 2017 - 04:23 PM, said:

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The declassified report did describe in detail the efforts of Mr. Putin and his security services, including the creation of the online Guccifer 2.0 persona and DCLeaks.com to release information gained from the hacks to the public.

'In detail.'

Here's the incredible depth which the report goes into:

Quote

We assess with high confidence that the GRU used the Guccifer 2.0 persona, DCLeaks.com, and WikiLeaks to release US victim data obtained in cyber operations publicly and in exclusives to media outlets.

Guccifer 2.0, who claimed to be an
independent Romanian hacker, made multiple
contradictory statements and false claims
about his likely Russian identity throughout the
election.  Press reporting suggests more than
one person
claiming to be Guccifer 2.0
interacted with journalists.

Content that we assess was taken from e-mail
accounts targeted by the GRU in March 2016
appeared on DCLeaks.com starting in June.
We assess with high confidence that the GRU
relayed material it acq
uired from the DNC and
senior Democratic officials to WikiLeaks.
Moscow
most likely chose WikiLeaks because of its self
-proclaimed reputation for authenticity.
Disclosures
through WikiLeaks did not contain any evident forgeries.

More pathetic than the US ((intelligence)) community shilling the Russians-did-it-line is the complicity of the domestic media, the same domestic media that cries FAKE NEWS. There is literally nothing whatsoever of substance in the report, yet the predominant media narrative is practically DRUMPF IS FINISHED THIS TIME.

Also notice that none of the above was anything that wasn't already publicly available on Wikipedia. The CIA model of "Junior Analyst -> Senior Analyst -> along up the chain" is simply a great way to create political groupthink. I hope Trump defunds the organization.

The supreme irony is that the anti-Trump New York Times, which tried to influence the outcome of the election, is itself foreign-owned.

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Posted 08 January 2017 - 07:16 PM

(Probably should have put this in the fake news thread - feel free to move)

From our old friends at fivethirtyeight:

http://fivethirtyeig...from-fake-news/

What's interesting is the part of this article where they discuss their solution:

"The same should go for stories about politics: Presenting politicians’ statements and simply letting readers decide what’s true doesn’t work when one side is lying."

And there you have it. Simply presenting a politician's statements and letting readers make up their own mind won't work. We must edit their statements, and we must present our "facts" because one side is lying. We can't allow wrong-think to take hold.

The genesis of this idea is a part of New Left thinking, and it goes all the way back to 1965 in a book entitled "Repressive Tolerance" by Marcuse. The essential idea is that an open tolerant society cannot actually allow complete tolerance. Because should they do this, they must "extend tolerance to policies, attitudes, and opinions which are outlawed or suppressed." Basically, how can you extend tolerance to your ideological enemies? What if those enemies don't believe in tolerance?

I actually agree with this position in a way, it does contain a kernel of truth. However, taken to an extreme it will ultimately be used to crush the very idea of free speech. If you wish to indefinitely maintain a society of Liberal Universalism (dildos for everyone), you cannot allow the heresy of anti-liberal speech. And so you will move to censor or de-platform your ideological opponents. Just like how Catholics in the 12th century could not allow for anti-catholic or atheist views to spread.

Here's where I agree with the idea of repressive tolerance: If you wish to maintain a coherent nation united under certain principles, you can't allow groups of people to come here and flourish who don't believe in these ideals and will actively work against your society. This will lead to conflict, thus the equation "Diversity + Proximity = War". If you wish to maintain freedom of speech or religion, you should not migrate large groups of high-fertility people who absolutely do not believe in freedom of speech or religion.  

For liberals, the clash here lies within Liberal Universalism itself. They wish to apply repressive tolerance to their ideological opponents like Donald Trump. However they are unable to apply these ideas when it comes to ideological opponents like Islam - because it clashes with egalitarianism. Egalitarianism rules all in Liberal Universalism, and it cannot be opposed. In fact to question it is the highest sin. Islam doesn't believe in freedom of speech or women's rights, but how can we ban Muslims? This is a direct violation of the egalitarian principle that all human groups have 100% neurological uniformity, and besides - Islam currently occupies a high position on the Marxist oppression hierarchy. Everyone knows if we just have faith in egalitarianism, and get Muslims the right education, they will be transformed into SWPLs who sit around enjoying craft beer and discussing the finer points of libertarianism.

Ultimately Leftists work toward their own destruction, and apparently now seem intent on editing and censoring their domestic ideological opponents (who ironically actually want to save them from their false religion). Thankfully, I don't think "fake news" is going to work.


Edited by citizen_beyond, 08 January 2017 - 07:19 PM.


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Posted 09 January 2017 - 02:34 PM

View PostPLEASUREMAN, on 08 January 2017 - 11:41 AM, said:

The reporting on this by mainstream media has been atrocious.  Of course Jew "press critics" like Jay Rosen haven't said a word about it.  Even though several silicon valley security firms have exposed it as totally brazen and incompetent fibbing (he hates Trump so he averts his eyes from egregious press misconduct).

Rosen will get a job endorsing Pantene before he'll honestly report on Trump.  He's one of several people (mostly jews) I used to follow, but had to stop because I couldn't stomach the nonstop anti-Trump stuff.

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Posted 10 January 2017 - 11:04 AM

Left Wing Suppression Squads organize around a self-negating authority of anti-authority.  While methodologically parallel to Marcuse's strategy for achieving his basic premises, traditional/right wing polities by contrast appealed to higher principle.  After the Enlightenment (which had a good point about the threat and track record of f****t Dr Evil characters and power concentration), higher principle and classical virtue in the conservative understanding were entrusted to the people. Hence, 'the people get the government they deserve.' 'Democracy' for us is a problem solving mechanism that defuses conflict and strife before it builds toward 1789 style chimp-outs (or should I say frog-outs) :taleb:. But it still functions within an order prior to any member of the body politic - and that is the essence of conservatism

Rightism is the only way to reconcile the Apollonian and the Dionysian.

If I can link up c_b's poast back to this whole 'muh Rushan haxxors' thing, the (((freak-out))) among our elite classes is eminently rational. A society whose organizing principle is absolute self-determination ("At the heart of liberty is the right to define one’s own concept of existence, of meaning, of the universe, and of the mystery of human life - Kennedy in 1992’s Planned Parenthood v. Casey) will be "tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive."  Once their ideology has parasitically consumed all the social, cultural, and political capital accrued during a prior order (that point was breached toward the close of the seventies in the USA IMO); they must resort to an anti-democratic managerial dictate to save the facade of the hollow core from naturally dissolving.  The repression necessitated by the self-negating nature of liberal ideology is based solely upon a curiously self-effacing a will to power.  As such, it can only ham-fistedly address the effects of the anti-conservative order, and in doing so inevitably sows the seeds of revolt. Suck it (((Moldbug))), we 1789 now. Leo Strauss and the neocons realized this; hence they are the most honest liberals in circulation.  Like Batman, they grasp only illiberal methods can preserve liberal socio-political organization.  This is also why nominally 'democratic' types are converting lock stock and barrel to neoconservatism, as Michael Tracey has chronicled.  

Now of course the claim Russia hacked the election is false - a ploy by the deep state to avoid an immediate legitimation crisis inflict one on Trump, but the underlying motivation for the liberal rank and file is the need to project upon an externalized 'other' the genesis of the God Emperor's rise rather than admit their ideology is more moribund than eighties Soviet good-think.  "Russia hacked the election" is liberal code for "the batteries in our dildos have run out'.

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Posted 11 January 2017 - 10:45 AM

Rubio goes full retard in Tillerson hearings (a role he was always destined to play):

In the Sec. of State confirmation hearings, Rubio attempted to get Tillerson to say Putin is "war criminal", because it's apparently in our interest to give Russia the full Saddam Hussein treatment.  Tillerson demurred on the grounds of...not being dirt stupid.

Rubio then went on..

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Rubio, a 2016 presidential contender who frequently sparred with Trump, asked Tillerson whether he would advise the president-elect to sign a bill that imposed mandatory visa bans and asset freeze sanctions on actors who engage in cyberattacks on U.S. infrastructure and democratic process, regardless of what country they hail from.

Tillerson said it is important to deal with those attacks on a country-by-country basis, taking into consideration all other elements of the relationship with the nation, including trade and national security ties.

Rubio said he found that answer "troubling" because it implies he may advise the president not to impose sanctions on a country with which the administration was trying to improve relations.

Well, no s**t.  What next, Marco?  You'll tell us water is wet?





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Posted 11 January 2017 - 04:38 PM

well foam sure is

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Posted 15 January 2017 - 03:08 AM

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Just in case you don't know who John Schindler is, here's a recap of his greatest hits:

http://gawker.com/ns...k-pi-1594848048
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(nice weasel words, by the way)





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Posted 15 January 2017 - 07:46 AM






Before Kickass Torrents got shut down, I crossed paths on there with a guy who introduced me to Schindler's writings. (Pre-Trump, some of his cultural commentary was pro-click. But like all neocons, his motivation was a fear totally liberal societies would no longer be able to pick fights with muh Putler and other assorted )))"rouge states"(((  ).  Anyway, this guy was Schindler's no 1 fan, and strongly implied he too was an ex agent.  Definitely knew a lot of cyber security jargon.  He spent his virtual life uploading thousands of books on international security, ranging from the academic to those by practitioners. It was his fervent belief the Soviet Union pretended to collapse in a dastardly one step back, two steps forward ploy to take out :bush: ARE FREEDUMS on the sly. Yes, that old spook kook conspiracy.  The book uploading was his one man war on the forces of darkness.  He told me he was part of a fraternal organization (of guardians presumably) who ran around threatening Assange (the REAL reason he's holed up in that embassy) and BTFO-ing Putin.  

Here's the funny part.  In order to marry neocon confabulations with a paranoid praxis/fantasy, turns out you have to be black.  So that's what :nigthink: looks like on 21st century neoconservatism.



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