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Posted 19 November 2016 - 01:36 PM

The usual suspects are trying to prove that Russia hacked the US elections. Hillary did better in paper ballot counties than she did in digital counties, and the exit polls were all wrong. In the absence of any possible confirming evidence I feel that this story will have legs for years.

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Posted 08 December 2016 - 08:50 PM

In what may be the greatest piece of Alt-Right Fan Fiction yet written, (((Bloomberg.com’s))) Putin-obsessed writer, Leonid Ragozin, claims that the Russian government is actively supporting the Californian Secessionist movement called “Yes, California”.
https://www.bloomber...help-from-putin

The wanna-be Founding Father of the New California Republic is currently living in Russia.

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As president of Yes California, Marinelli is organizing a statewide referendum on independence to be held in 2019—if he can collect half a million signatures by next fall. He runs the secession movement from 10,000 kilometers (6,000 miles) away while teaching English at a language school in Yekaterinburg. He is preparing the ground for an “embassy of California” in Moscow, with the help of a vehemently anti-American group supported by the Kremlin.

The article presents the bizarre theory that Putin is the mastermind behind some manner of International-Nationalist Movement. As well as the old “Russia rigged the election” bullshit.

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Russia is well known for courting far-right, anti-establishment parties in Europe. Right-wing politicians from all over the continent are regular visitors to Moscow, to Crimea, which Russia seized in 2014, and to rebel-held parts of Ukraine, where they claim to be voting “observers” during dubious elections and referendums. Russian-controlled media blanket the airwaves with positive pieces on hard-right parties and causes all over Europe and in the U.S. Most recently, according to U.S. intelligence, the Kremlin tried to tip last month’s balloting to President-elect Donald Trump.

The gist of this author’s verbal sewer is that Putin is promoting Nationalist movements around the globe in order to weaken the (((Globalists))) that are standing in the way of Putin drinking Turk-blood out of a Chechen infant’s skull, or something.

I wager that a California secessionist movement has less than a snowball’s chance in hell of actually happening, Putin’s help or no. The limp-wristed sodomites and the illiterate muds that inhabit that once-great state would be useless as Soldiers for Civil War 2 (The War of Eastern Aggression).
IF it did happen, maybe it would be a good thing. The democrats would lose 55 electoral votes and guarantee that the GOP would run the country for at least the next 50 years. “Nothing last forever” and that rule applies to the United States as well. Perhaps this will be the manner in which the breaking up of the Union occurs?


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Posted 09 December 2016 - 08:16 AM

How can I get some of those Putin-bux?

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Posted 09 December 2016 - 02:07 PM

View PostMoonman, on 09 December 2016 - 08:16 AM, said:

How can I get some of those Putin-bux?

Hell if I know. The checks just started showing up in the mail one day.

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Posted 11 December 2016 - 04:36 AM

Putin went too far this time.

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Posted 11 December 2016 - 07:29 AM

To bring this thread sort of back on topic and away from piling on Gorvin, it looks like the CIA and FBI don't see eye-to-eye on the current REDS UNDER THE DIGITAL BED hooplah:

https://www.washingt...106c_story.html

FBI and CIA give differing accounts to lawmakers on Russia’s motives in 2016 hacks

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Sitting before the House Intelligence Committee was a senior FBI counterintelligence official. The question the Republicans and Democrats in attendance wanted answered was whether the bureau concurred with the conclusions the CIA had just shared with senators that Russia “quite” clearly intended to help Republican Donald Trump defeat Democrat Hillary Clinton and clinch the White House.

For the Democrats in the room, the FBI’s response was frustrating — even shocking.

During a similar Senate Intelligence Committee briefing held the previous week, the CIA’s statements, as reflected in the letter the lawmakers now held in their hands, were “direct and bald and unqualified” about Russia’s intentions to help Trump, according to one of the officials who attended the House briefing.

The FBI official’s remarks to the lawmakers on the House Intelligence Committee were, in comparison, “fuzzy” and “ambiguous,” suggesting to those in the room that the bureau and the agency weren’t on the same page, the official said.

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The competing messages, according to officials in attendance, also reflect cultural differences between the FBI and the CIA. The bureau, true to its law enforcement roots, wants facts and tangible evidence to prove something beyond all reasonable doubt. The CIA is more comfortable drawing inferences from behavior.

Tired: Fake News
Wired: Fake Intel Briefings

As someone on /pol/ suggested, the FBI accidentally got redpilled while investigating/infiltrating 4chan.

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Posted 30 December 2016 - 10:00 AM

Prince Fuccboi had the DHS and Director of National Intelligence release a "report" "proving" that the "Russians" "hacked the election".  Predictably, there's nothing there.

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The U.S. Government confirms that two different RIS actors participated in the intrusion into a U.S. political party. The first actor group, known as Advanced Persistent Threat (APT) 29, entered into the party’s systems in summer 2015, while the second, known as APT28, entered in spring 2016.
https://www.us-cert....-Cyber-Activity

That's about as much as they bother saying--the rest of the report (easily 90% of its content) is someone's copy-pasted description of various general attack vectors (cross-site scripting, SQL injection, server exploits) and over half the report is "recommended mitigations" (including that popular managerial standby, "best practices").  Of the three pages that purport to provide any evidence of origin, one is simply a list of reported Russian intelligence "handles".

A separate list of IP addresses used shows they came from all over the world, with most sourced from America, followed by Russia, the Netherlands, and so on.  To anyone familiar with Internet security, this is normal and proof of absolutely nothing.

WordFence, which makes a security plug-in for WordPress (which, incidentally, leaks like a sieve and is no longer really suitable for web development), looked at the malware sample the government provided and discovered that it's a somewhat outdated piece of software that targets WordPress sites.  (Normally one would run a website under separate and limited privileges to prevent exploit of the website to lead to compromise of the entire server, but the computer janitors at the DNC probably opted for security-unconscious shortcuts.  At any rate, once you're in you can look for unpatched server vulnerabilities to elevate privileges.)

The specific malware is marked "made in Ukraine", but is commonly available and has been around for quite awhile.  WordFence comments:

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DHS and DNI have released a joint statement that says:
“This document provides technical details regarding the tools and infrastructure used by the Russian civilian and military intelligence Services (RIS) to compromise and exploit networks and endpoints associated with the U.S. election, as well as a range of U.S. Government, political, and private sector entities. The report contains specific indicators of compromise, including IP addresses and a PHP malware sample.”

The PHP malware sample they have provided appears to be P.A.S. version 3.1.0 which is commonly available and the website that claims to have authored it says they are Ukrainian. It is also several versions behind the most current version of P.A.S which is 4.1.1b. One might reasonably expect Russian intelligence operatives to develop their own tools or at least use current malicious tools from outside sources.
https://www.wordfenc...alware-ip-hack/

WordFence also provides a graph of the IP addresses that the government claims were used in the attack:

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There are several hosting companies in the mix including OVH SAS, Digital Ocean, Linode and Hetzner. These are hosting companies that provide low cost hosting to WordPress customers and customers who use other PHP applications. A common pattern that we see in the industry is that accounts at these hosts are compromised and those hacked sites are used to launch attacks around the web.

Out of the 876 IP addresses that DHS provided, 134 or about 15% are Tor exit nodes, based on a reverse DNS lookup that we did on each IP address. These are anonymous gateways that are used by anyone using the Tor anonymous browsing service.

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The IP addresses that DHS provided may have been used for an attack by a state actor like Russia. But they don’t appear to provide any association with Russia. They are probably used by a wide range of other malicious actors, especially the 15% of IP addresses that are Tor exit nodes.

The malware sample is old, widely used and appears to be Ukrainian. It has no apparent relationship with Russian intelligence and it would be an indicator of compromise for any website.

(Somewhat cheekily, then, the report is titled "US Govt Data Shows Russia Used Outdated Ukrainian PHP Malware".)

So, it's Iraq WMDs all over again:  breathe heavy about the evidence for accusing another state of bad things, wring your hands publicly over how you would burn your sources by revealing actual evidence, and then release an embarrassingly threadbare report purporting to back up your claims, which on close reading does nothing of the kind.

Please link the WordFence report everywhere you see this being discussed:  https://www.wordfenc...alware-ip-hack/

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Posted 30 December 2016 - 10:11 AM

It should be added, of course, that none of this amounts to "hacking the election", even if everything the DHS-DNI report claims is true (and it hardly claims much at all).  It is commonly known that all national intelligence agencies in advanced countries conduct routine incursions into foreign government networks, particularly those of strategic interest.  Furthermore, there is as yet no real evidence that the phishing attacks which targeted some Democratic Party higher ups are really connected to the release of material by WikiLeaks--we don't, for example, know whether it was "an inside job", e.g. a disgruntled Sanders supporter within (or employed by) the DNC who made available embarrassing material.  The near total lack of security or security protocols at the DNC means it could have been anyone, including your kid brother.

The election itself was not hacked in any way, which media shorthand obscures--the implication of "hacking the election" is, to any normal person, that the very process of voting was somehow compromised.  As with Iraq WMDs, however, we see again and again this sensational wording used to describe mundane embarrassing leaks, which if anything led to the public being better informed than the media was prepared to do.

The hacks themselves exposed DNC and media collusion plus evidence that Hillary willfully failed to disclose subpoenaed emails (many of which were "accidentally" destroyed), which is the far bigger story.  Mainstream reporting on the "hacking" story has turned the Watergate model of investigation on its head:  when evidence of high crimes and corruption is leaked, hunt down the leakers and blame them for providing too much information to the public!

This in itself would be the most disturbing aspect of the entire Russian hacking hysteria, if it weren't for the fact that government efforts to scapegoat Russia could very easily have led to a new Cold War, renewed military adventurism, and worse.  This is the real story, and mainstream journalism is shamefully delinquent in covering it.

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Posted 30 December 2016 - 10:49 AM



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Posted 30 December 2016 - 11:17 AM

View PostPLEASUREMAN, on 30 December 2016 - 10:11 AM, said:

It should be added, of course, that none of this amounts to "hacking the election", even if everything the DHS-DNI report claims is true (and it hardly claims much at all).  It is commonly known that all national intelligence agencies in advanced countries conduct routine incursions into foreign government networks, particularly those of strategic interest.  Furthermore, there is as yet no real evidence that the phishing attacks which targeted some Democratic Party higher ups are really connected to the release of material by WikiLeaks--we don't, for example, know whether it was "an inside job", e.g. a disgruntled Sanders supporter within (or employed by) the DNC who made available embarrassing material.  The near total lack of security or security protocols at the DNC means it could have been anyone, including your kid brother.

The election itself was not hacked in any way, which media shorthand obscures--the implication of "hacking the election" is, to any normal person, that the very process of voting was somehow compromised.  As with Iraq WMDs, however, we see again and again this sensational wording used to describe mundane embarrassing leaks, which if anything led to the public being better informed than the media was prepared to do.

The hacks themselves exposed DNC and media collusion plus evidence that Hillary willfully failed to disclose subpoenaed emails (many of which were "accidentally" destroyed), which is the far bigger story.  Mainstream reporting on the "hacking" story has turned the Watergate model of investigation on its head:  when evidence of high crimes and corruption is leaked, hunt down the leakers and blame them for providing too much information to the public!


Amen! I've been making arguments in this vein to normies as frequently as possible. All the IT talk just seems to make eyes gloss, but this message resonates.

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Posted 30 December 2016 - 01:39 PM

Confirmation this is a leap year:  Taibbi is willing to write something that isn't glib bullshit in his Fake News & Vinyl Collectors Fanzine:

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This dramatic story puts the news media in a jackpot. Absent independent verification, reporters will have to rely upon the secret assessments of intelligence agencies to cover the story at all.

Many reporters I know are quietly freaking out about having to go through that again. We all remember the WMD fiasco.

"It's déjà vu all over again" is how one friend put it.

(Apparently the editors are not working full-time there.)

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The New York Times was more aggressive, writing flatly, "Obama Strikes Back at Russia for Election Hacking." It backed up its story with a link to a joint FBI/Homeland Security report that details how Russian civilian and military intelligence services (termed "RIS" in the report) twice breached the defenses of "a U.S. political party," presumably the Democrats.

the paper of record shenanigans

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But we don't learn much at all about what led our government to determine a) that these hacks were directed by the Russian government, or b) they were undertaken with the aim of influencing the election, and in particular to help elect Donald Trump.

The problem with this story is that, like the Iraq-WMD mess, it takes place in the middle of a highly politicized environment during which the motives of all the relevant actors are suspect. Nothing quite adds up.

If the American security agencies had smoking-gun evidence that the Russians had an organized campaign to derail the U.S. presidential election and deliver the White House to Trump, then expelling a few dozen diplomats after the election seems like an oddly weak and ill-timed response. Voices in both parties are saying this now.

Taibbi elaborates on some of the inconsistencies in the Obama narrative:

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"Moreover, our diplomats have experienced an unacceptable level of harassment in Moscow by Russian security services and police over the last year."

This appears to refer to an incident this summer in which an American diplomat was beaten outside the diplomatic compound in Moscow. That followed a 2013 case in which a U.S. diplomat named Ryan Fogle was arrested in similar fashion.

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If the Russians messed with an election, that's enough on its own to warrant a massive response – miles worse than heavy-handed responses to ordinary spying episodes. Obama mentioning these humdrum tradecraft skirmishes feels like he's throwing something in to bolster an otherwise thin case.

Indeed, it does feel like that.

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Adding to the problem is that in the last months of the campaign, and also in the time since the election, we've seen an epidemic of factually loose, clearly politically motivated reporting about Russia. Democrat-leaning pundits have been unnervingly quick to use phrases like "Russia hacked the election."

This has led to widespread confusion among news audiences over whether the Russians hacked the DNC emails (a story that has at least been backed by some evidence, even if it hasn't always been great evidence), or whether Russians hacked vote tallies in critical states (a far more outlandish tale backed by no credible evidence).

This is the birtherism of the far left, which actually believes that Putin hacked electronic voting machines (perhaps personally, under the remote tutelage of 5th dimension chess wonder Barron Trump).

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Then there was the episode in which the Washington Post ran that breathless story about Russians aiding the spread of "fake news." That irresponsible story turned out to have been largely based on one highly dubious source called "PropOrNot" that identified 200 different American alternative media organizations as "useful idiots" of the Russian state.

The Post eventually distanced itself from the story, saying it "does not itself vouch for the validity of PropOrNot's findings." This was a very strange thing to say in a statement that isn't an outright retraction. The idea that it's OK to publish an allegation when you yourself are not confident in what your source is saying is a major departure from what was previously thought to be the norm in a paper like the Post.

Yes well that was before the paper was purchased by f****t Dr. Evil' Wal-zon.  It is now a blog host.

Taibbi even bullies our own Kurt Eichenwald some:

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And reports by some Democrat-friendly reporters – like Kurt Eichenwald, who has birthed some real head-scratchers this year, including what he admitted was a baseless claim that Trump spent time in an institution in 1990 – have attempted to argue that Trump surrogates may have been liaising with the Russians because they either visited Russia or appeared on the RT network. Similar reporting about Russian scheming has been based entirely on unnamed security sources.

Of course, Taibbi snaps back on his usual course after he types the name "Trump" a few times and has an Eichenwaldian seizure triggered:

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On one end of the spectrum, America could have just been the victim of a virtual coup d'etat engineered by a combination of Donald Trump and Vladimir Putin, which would be among the most serious things to ever happen to our democracy.

:rolleyes:  Yes, almost as serious as the time FDR got Father Coughlin's radio show pulled for criticizing him.  This would be big!--if it weren't so small.  Taibbi has to call it a "virtual coup d'etat" with typical meretricious rhetorical flourish to confuse you from seeing it as leaking embarrassing evidence of political corruption to an unaware public.  Which is normally what journalists do, although it seems to depend a lot on whether the candidate they voted for is in office at the time.

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It could also be something in between. Perhaps the FSB didn't commission the hack, but merely enabled it somehow. Or maybe the Russians did hack the DNC, but the WikiLeaks material actually came from someone else? There is even a published report to that effect, with a former British ambassador as a source, not that it's any more believable than anything else here.

Actually, it is a tad more believable.  Taibbi still retains his Jew card, so he has to stomp on his own lede by reminding all his gay Fake News & Rape Erotica readers of their retarded prejudices by calling Putin dark lord scum and Trump barely any better (he once told a joke that upset poor Matt).  The press actually hasn't been at all skeptical of the Russian storyline, despite what Taibbi asserts, and it will probably only be a few lonely semi-contrarians like Taibbi and Glenn Greenwald who ever actively resist it.

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Posted 30 December 2016 - 01:48 PM

Remember Seth Rich? We have just as much evidence that the DNC had him killed after he leaked the emails as we do that Russia hacked anything: a crime and a motivated actor.

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Posted 30 December 2016 - 03:03 PM

View PostKebab saving robot, on 30 December 2016 - 01:48 PM, said:

Remember Seth Rich? We have just as much evidence that the DNC had him killed after he leaked the emails as we do that Russia hacked anything: a crime and a motivated actor.

Off-topic, but what is the deal with Assange? Is he dead?


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Posted 30 December 2016 - 04:24 PM

Pman's analogy to Iraq could not be more on point. I thought for sure that if Trump won the media would try to sink him by pushing the immigration angle hard, 4.0 gpa squatemalans and their abuelas on TV every day begging meester Trump to not send them back. I was actually a little worried about how it would play out.

Instead it seems like I've woken up in a shitty hollywood reboot of 2003-4, with Vladimir Putin playing the Saddam Hussein role this time around. CNN has been running stories of Russian nefariousness all day, and liberals are starting to sound an awful lot like neocons the way they scaremonger over Russia--and label even the most mild dissenters Kremlin agents. I can't believe this is how they think they'll take down Trump.  

Haidt and others have observed that while conservatives understand liberals, the inverse isn't nearly as true, and I think that explains a lot of what's going on here. Almost 15 years later, the left is trying to replicate the Bush Admin's cynical appeal to the kneejerk patriotism of middle americans. "If we just cry 'un-American' and 'dictator' loud enough," these dipshits honestly believe, "of course the rubes will rally against Trump." That they think this would somehow work, that Americans didn't learn their lesson from iraq, that they aren't sick of sending their children to die in pointless gay (((interventions))) every 3-5 years speaks volumes of just how clueless shitlibs are when it comes to reading the pulse of the american public. At their core they are completely incapable of understanding a perspective other than their own, and that disconnect drives cynical ploys like this.

This is why I refuse to be blackpilled on Trump.

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Posted 31 December 2016 - 12:40 AM

in general it's good to remember--and, when the argument comes up, point out to the s**tlib you're arguing with--that liberals actually support hostile foreigners meddling in our politics and elections:

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They not only support this they give it cover by underreporting or not reporting it and by repressing any racists who try to bring it up or object.

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Posted 31 December 2016 - 12:52 AM

Even Ars Technica, your source of a full poz load with your fake tech news, says "White House fails to make case that Russian hackers tampered with election"

http://arstechnica.c...ely-to-rage-on/

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Posted 31 December 2016 - 01:24 AM

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I think this debate often ignores a key source of information when it talks about "investigation" ... Russian state run media.

Russia has taken full responsibility for a number of hacks and other manipulations, going as far as posting interviews with the teams of hackers that pulled it off. While these reports DO bare a fair amount of the expected redirect that might lead to it being an overstatement (notes about who this proves Russia's superiority over other nations, how they could influence any election on earth) you still have to give SOME credit to the fact that the government is taking credit for this even though that could create a huge problem in the UN.

Some of our best computer scientists seem to think it happened. Some of the most seasoned cyber security experts think it happened. Snowden (who is in Russia) says it happened. Putin and the Russian government say it happened. Top hackers in Russia say they did it.

Who is saying it DIDN'T happen? Mostly people who don't believe in "fact based" medicine, ignore evidence on a number of issues already, and think prayer should guide decision making.

So who do you believe?

lol at this bugshit insane Ars-hole

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Posted 31 December 2016 - 01:57 AM

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Who is saying it DIDN'T happen? Mostly people who don't believe in "fact based" medicine, ignore evidence on a number of issues already, and think prayer should guide decision making.
Even in a completely unrelated subject, the nerd still feels compelled to insult Christianity.

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