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Posted 25 April 2011 - 02:39 PM

There are times when I think my true calling is as zoologist of nerds--to describe the organization of nerd behavior and its ritualized pathology, in contrast to the often confused and random ideas that the general public has about this worthless species.

A comment I made on Sailer:

Udolpho.com said:

The rise of nerd culture can be perfectly explained by the Flynn Effect. Better nutrition keeps making people taller and smarter (especially at visual abstract reasoning) so we have a whole generation of computer geeks capable of working with gadgets on a level our grandparents could never dream of.

No. Nerd culture is pathological, with its infantile dress, eating habits, and recreation. It is regressive, and most nerds aren't very smart, they are simply socially maladroit and by dint of spending 10,000 hours in front of a computer they pick up a trick or two (but seldom more than that).

Nerd culture is telling you that something is going wrong (as with the general rise in social pathology). What it is most certainly not telling you is that we are enjoying the eugenic effects of a high tech, prosperous society. Quite the opposite.
http://isteve.blogsp...h-of-nerds.html

By the way, is the Flynn Effect perhaps making people fatter as well?  What a strange idea.

But hardly the strangest--the same comment thread had this eyebrow-raising assertion:

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We could do worse than killing everyone alive except for wikipedia editors to create an improved human race.
Good God, is it possible to be more confused?

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Why the regular, non-geeky kids of today text I have no idea. Perhaps it's just marketing - phone companies wanted to sell an extra service and, the young being sheep, they just got sold on the ads.
Bizarre.  It seems rather more likely that kids use texting to keep in touch because they are on the move and have lots of free time.  And, unlike this commenter, many have active social lives.

Of course many of the worst comments probably came from nerds themselves, who have powers of self-awareness that can barely pass the mirror test.  Take the subject of Sailer's post, Wikipedia editors.  As I noted in another comment:

Udolpho.com said:

Also, most nerd culture is ephemeral. What nerds are good at isn't creating things that last, but copying and pasting information. Wikipedia is a case in point. Most of Wikipedia isn't contributions by domain experts, but nerds copying contributions by domain experts. It's more a giant binder than it is an encyclopedia with actual standards of scholarship.
Nerds think of Wikipedia as their amateur, open source scholarly career, but they use it like a giant video game, leveling up their Wiki accounts via hours of unthinking copy/paste drudgery, rewriting passages from articles and books like an earnest yet dull high school student, filling discussion pages with pissy back-and-forth that has zero relevance.  This is not an intellectual endeavor, just another form of escapism (with its own form of gameplay, edit wars).

Contrary to the image of nerds as intellectual savants "capable of working with gadgets on a level our grandparents could never dream of" (granddad beat his iPod for its music), nerds seem mainly to be incompetent at almost everything but fiddling uselessly with gadgets.  Really, on what "level" are nerds working their iPhones and Androids?  If anything, computing devices get simpler and more infantile as time goes on, and have been reduced to electronic pacifiers.  Is the person thumbing away at a video game, in order to shoo away every moment that could be spent in thought, doing anything at a higher level?

Of course this conduct has spread outward from nerds, but it is with nerds where we see it at its most intense.  They make up the behavioral sink, a biological mass huddling together because it has broken down.  Aware of little, least of all itself, notions of identity eroding until there is only impulse and stimulus.
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Posted 25 April 2011 - 02:54 PM

I should add that Sailer makes a very strange assertion in his original post:

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The Triumph of the Nerds is one of the most important stories in human culture during my lifetime. Consider current trends such as: today's youth don't like to talk on the telephone. They'd rather communicate via electronic telegrams tapped out with their thumbs. That's very strange. If you had asked me 20 years ago, I would have guessed that the hot communication trend in 2011 would be portable picture phones to provide more lifelike interaction. But, we live in an increasingly Aspergery age.
First, texting became popular because it is the only universal means of communicating via mobile besides calling on the phone, and because unlike a phone call it doesn't tie people up.  It's also time-efficient--you don't sit there waiting for someone to finish a reply, you text and move on until something beeps or vibrates to alert you.  This seems rather obvious (and I don't text).

Then too, one of the latest trends, although of uncertain "hotness", is smartphones implementing actual video calling--a trend which has of course been dependent on technology to catch up.  It's weird to blame the "Aspergeriness" of phone users for this lag.  And that just about exhausts my interest in the subject of texting vs. phoning vs. video calling.
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Posted 25 April 2011 - 03:12 PM

View PostPLEASUREMAN, on 25 April 2011 - 02:54 PM, said:

I should add that Sailer makes a very strange assertion in his original post:

Steve Sailer said:

The Triumph of the Nerds is one of the most important stories in human culture during my lifetime. Consider current trends such as: today's youth don't like to talk on the telephone. They'd rather communicate via electronic telegrams tapped out with their thumbs. That's very strange. If you had asked me 20 years ago, I would have guessed that the hot communication trend in 2011 would be portable picture phones to provide more lifelike interaction. But, we live in an increasingly Aspergery age.
First, texting became popular because it is the only universal means of communicating via mobile besides calling on the phone, and because unlike a phone call it doesn't tie people up.  It's also time-efficient--you don't sit there waiting for someone to finish a reply, you text and move on until something beeps or vibrates to alert you.  This seems rather obvious (and I don't text).

Then too, one of the latest trends, although of uncertain "hotness", is smartphones implementing actual video calling--a trend which has of course been dependent on technology to catch up.  It's weird to blame the "Aspergeriness" of phone users for this lag.  And that just about exhausts my interest in the subject of texting vs. phoning vs. video calling.

Texting caught on because people intuitively understand the asynchronous and also the asymmetrical nature of it.  If I have 3 minutes of free time, but I'm in a public place or just waiting for a dental appointment or something, I could communicate in a way that is either not possible with a phone call (or would annoy the hell out of those around me).  Also, I can text someone when I have something to say to them, but they may not have an immediately reply.  I might text a colleague with, "Let me know if you can be here 30 minutes early tomorrow."  I don't have to waste a synchronous communication when there is a high probability the other person cannot formulate an immediate response.  If it's not pressing, a text conversation could unfold over several days with no particular loss of value.

Kids more then anyone else also know that texting doesn't "suck you in" like an in-person call, so I guess it may be good for running certain types of game  :mystery:

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Posted 25 April 2011 - 03:17 PM

Nerds defy the western tradition of the well rounded man.  It is clear they can only exist in a disgenic hothouse culture. :goonthink:

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Posted 25 April 2011 - 03:35 PM

Great piece.

Sailer's commenters are a dependable mine of hilarious goonisms. I'm not sure why, maybe nerds (especially of the trivia-cataloging, wiki-editing anorak variety) imagine something flattering in the HBD movement's emphasis on - and overvaluing of - abstract intelligence. The latter is a prominent reason why HBD has never quite appealed to me...as if raising IQs alone will cure what ails the world.

For instance, can you believe this example was only the second comment in that thread:

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It is logical that our medial and digital age would lead to the incompatible combination of nerds running the system, whilst bosomed, blond bimbos dominate the human interfaces (TV/Video anchors).
It has everything...the odd syntax ('it is logical that...incompatible combination'), use of quaint words like whilst and bosomed, nerd power fantasies, resentment toward attractive women, etc.

Then another poster replies to an offhand mention of goony slovenliness ("They dressed like nerds") with a suspiciously defensive "What are you talking about? Do you mean neatly? Take a shave you damn slob - you might run into a sex life."...pretending not to realize, of course, that bowtied 80s stereotypes bear no resemblance to the modern nerd, who shares many habits with white trash and other lower class groups (lazy grooming, fat/meth skinny, sloppy dress).

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When I was a manager of programmers I was always offended when the girls in marketing referred to my programmers as nerds. They typically had no real knowledge of art, music, literature, or history much less math and science but they like to imagine themselves to be on the sophisticated side of some great cultural gulf. They were girls with a fashion sense and little else, putting on airs.

Wikipedia says that a nerd is someone who is bookish and socially awkward. Socially comfortable people who don't read are salesmen at best although trucks need driving and ditches need digging too. Bookish people have a inner life that the hollow people who favor the term nerd, just can't fathom.

I'd like to talk with some of those poorly dressed Wikipedia people. I imagine that they might have something to say. People who like to call others nerds seems to be only saying: I'm superficial and boring.

Sailer himself seems to be a rather normal guy...it's unfortunate that his followers are such sperg morons.

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Posted 25 April 2011 - 03:37 PM

View PostPLEASUREMAN, on 25 April 2011 - 02:54 PM, said:

First, texting became popular because it is the only universal means of communicating via mobile besides calling on the phone, and because unlike a phone call it doesn't tie people up.  It's also time-efficient--you don't sit there waiting for someone to finish a reply, you text and move on until something beeps or vibrates to alert you.  This seems rather obvious (and I don't text).
lol I WISH this were true. usually it ties you up more because it's a pointless sup sup, how r u fine and u so whatcha do nothin bla bla, especially with girls. bla bla that could be resolved with a 1 minute phone call. but it's a god send for having a group chat to organize something
http://www.youtube.c...h?v=95YdE89nTgI this is me, reading each post of yours

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Posted 25 April 2011 - 03:40 PM

I don't really get the "Nerd Triumph" people always talk about.  I hear nerds talking about how they run things now, and how the internet revolution has made them the unofficial ruling class because of their tech savvy, yet I've met remarkably few nerds who were anywhere near happy on a daily basis.  Most still can't land a stable, sweet, or pretty girl.  They are either pathetically alone, pining after girls who aren't interested, or are "lucky" enough to get some fat and emotionally damaged train wreck who makes them more miserable.  They have wrecked personal lives, computer janitor jobs, hate their parents, and spend most of their time bitterly raging against whatever they blame for their failures and misery (usually women, society, republicans, their parents, etc).

Something Awful is a perfect example.  There you have a community custom made for nerds.  The owner is a pill popping, emotionally crippled, divorced guy who made a pile of money and and is still miserable.  The admins are all hopeless losers who's lives are so bleak the highlight of their day is playing hall monitor to other nerds on a message board.  Then you look at the goons themselves, and you can find entire forums dedicated to their emotional, mental, and physical health problems.  Thousands of posts about how people not like them are ruining society.  An entire subforum dedicated to their life failures, inability to have a stable relationship.  Endless posts about their f**ked up pathologies, etc.  

Few nerds are even remotely happy, but they'll all tell you about how they run things now, how their time has finally come.

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Posted 25 April 2011 - 03:50 PM

:katana: heh you might say i'm running things in this nerd triumph era

:draper: Hey, Nerdlinger, what's going on? Say, it's 6:00 and I'm taking off. My BlackBerry's been acting up again, could you have it fixed up by tomorrow morning? Thanks, man, appreciate it. See you later.

:katana: lol n00b doesn't even know how to fix his own blackberry. let me just google some stuff from the support forums.

...3 a.m...

:katana: lol n00b, how did he ever manage to delete that hidden config file oh well fixed

...9:30 a.m...

:draper: How's it going, Nerdlinger? Get it fixed?

:katana: uh yes sir i did here you are

:draper: I knew I could count on you, that's great. Sorry, got to run, I've got a meeting with co-counsel. Talk to you later, OK?

...5:55 p.m...

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Posted 25 April 2011 - 04:01 PM

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When I was a manager of programmers I was always offended when the girls in marketing referred to my programmers as nerds. They typically had no real knowledge of art, music, literature, or history much less math and science but they like to imagine themselves to be on the sophisticated side of some great cultural gulf. They were girls with a fashion sense and little else, putting on airs.

Wikipedia says that a nerd is someone who is bookish and socially awkward. Socially comfortable people who don't read are salesmen at best although trucks need driving and ditches need digging too. Bookish people have a inner life that the hollow people who favor the term nerd, just can't fathom.

I'd like to talk with some of those poorly dressed Wikipedia people. I imagine that they might have something to say. People who like to call others nerds seems to be only saying: I'm superficial and boring.

This attitude is exactly what I find irritating about nerds. The reason why people reject them is because they tend to be annoying little cunts, while their narcissism leads them to think it is because others envy their purported intelligence or because they are shallow and cannot understand the deep, transcendental things that motivates nerds.

You always see nerds trying to cultivate a stern, intellectual persona. Their status anxiety runs so deep it makes them embrace ideas and positions that are incompatible with the values of the majority (e.g. atheism, leftism), not because they actually believe them to be true, but because it allows them to distinguish themselves from the masses and claim a position of superiority. What's funny is that they think others cannot see through this.
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Posted 25 April 2011 - 04:07 PM

The idea that IQ equals virtue or value is one of the big lies of modern life. Likewise the idea of social skills or physical presence as somehow optional or UGH VAPID

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Posted 25 April 2011 - 04:22 PM

what is this "beating something for something" meme all the hottest celebrities are talking about
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Posted 25 April 2011 - 04:23 PM

You can see the pathology of the nerd in the sheer number of socially retarded nerdcreeps who don't see themselves as rude and unpleasant (even though they do realize it) but rather hide behind the exuses of being misunderstood nonconformists and freethinkers who aren't afraid to tell it like it is, march to a different drummer, be true to themselves and aren't conformist sheep hiding behind such archaic ideas like "manners" and "civility".
The Tree of Knowledge has been plucked bare, and the War Pigs are gorging on a feast of its fruits. In their ravenous gluttony, they swallow it all and shit out the seeds, sowing a garden of horrors that we -- all of us -- shall reap. No sacred secret is spared; not the forces of nature, not the human mind, not the fundamental stuff of life, nor the building blocks of the universe itself. There is no territory the sinister technologists refuse to explore in their quest for Maximum Pain. Their lust for death is so strong, they've even begun creating a robotic army to extend their grim work through the twilight of our species, and beyond.

Imagine it. Metallic security guards, propelled by deathless power cells, crunching and gliding over a rotting graveyard planet. I can think of no more fitting legacy.

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Posted 25 April 2011 - 04:30 PM

:katana: Blonde vapid bosomed cunts, you know nothing about the arts

*posts 3500-word diatribe about the relative merits of one Japanese children's cartoon versus another*

:katana: Asshat bimbo sluts, have fun being married to a jock ditch-digger who doesn't read

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Posted 25 April 2011 - 04:35 PM

View PostLookwell!, on 25 April 2011 - 04:22 PM, said:

what is this "beating something for something" meme all the hottest celebrities are talking about

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Posted 25 April 2011 - 04:37 PM

My link


A internet show about anime conventions with lots of live footage and discussion.


I was actually physically near the area in which an anime convention was being held Saturday night, and seen many of these kinds of folk walking down the street. In defense of them, they did seem like a happy and friendly bunch in person (they were probably overjoyed to be interacting in the flesh instead of through their screens). Many were seemingly dressed up as their favorite "characters", much like afficianados of Star Wars conventions used to do.

I think many of these people are afraid of our modern "diverse" America, and kind of live an escapist life through media instead. The technology is now such that they are enabled to do so, just like those herbivore men in Japan that Roissy has mentioned from time-to-time on his blog. They would have been forced out into the real world more in the past, but now they can almost self-cocoon. Hopefully the conventions and get-togethers will get them out of their houses more and into the world.

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Posted 25 April 2011 - 04:45 PM

View PostPLEASUREMAN, on 25 April 2011 - 02:39 PM, said:

Contrary to the image of nerds as intellectual savants "capable of working with gadgets on a level our grandparents could never dream of" (granddad beat his iPod for its music), nerds seem mainly to be incompetent at almost everything but fiddling uselessly with gadgets.  Really, on what "level" are nerds working their iPhones and Androids?  If anything, computing devices get simpler and more infantile as time goes on, and have been reduced to electronic pacifiers.  Is the person thumbing away at a video game, in order to shoo away every moment that could be spent in thought, doing anything at a higher level?

When you spend 12 hours doing something every day you're going to achieve some minimum aptitude no matter if you're Einstein or Jojo the Dog Faced Mutant.  If anything defines nerd culture, it's obsession to the point no normal human being could take without going crazy.  You only have to know about 10% more about a subject than someone else for them to consider you a guru, and that's often about how much more nerds know about technology than people who simply dabble in it part time/rarely, and obviously if you have such an inferiority complex you're going to maximize the importance of that 10%.  And they get this for the bargain deal of never developing a personality that appreciates a passion for life or personal relationships.
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Posted 25 April 2011 - 04:54 PM

View Postmiles, on 25 April 2011 - 04:37 PM, said:

I think many of these people are afraid of our modern "diverse" America, and kind of live an escapist life through media instead.

This is a good insight. I think this is the reason fantasy (broadly speaking) has worked its way into every corner of pop culture--we're afraid to look at, and talk about, the real world anymore, so we cook up elaborate stand-ins. How many trailers start with: "IN A WORLD WHERE..." Anywhere but where we are.

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Posted 25 April 2011 - 06:44 PM

View PostBumbling American, on 25 April 2011 - 04:07 PM, said:

The idea that IQ equals virtue or value is one of the big lies of modern life. Likewise the idea of social skills or physical presence as somehow optional or UGH VAPID

I'm tempted to give feminism some of the blame for this. It seems like the trend in the 90s where parents wanted to raise their children independently of gender roles led to a culture where traditionally masculine traits (like courage or strength) were presented as having little value, while gender-neutral traits like intelligence were exalted.

On a related note, I've long theorized that the nerd is the male sex's equivalent of the tomboy. Female children who aren't a good match for the culture of little girls often adopt the culture of little boys instead. Male children, though, don't really have the option of emulating girls; the social consequences of being a sissy are too harsh (you do still see some boys adopting girlish patterns of behavior, but it's almost always those with unusually strong feminine impulses -- a full 50% of boys who engage in cross-gender behavior grow up to be homosexuals or bisexuals). So those boys who eschew the culture of their peers usually turn to books instead. In the past, many of those who took this path found themselves exposed to a vast and wonderful world of the mind, developing a deep fascination for the underlying function of the natural world. Today, of course, we have anime and video games to distract them from those things.

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Posted 25 April 2011 - 07:01 PM

View Postbackstory, on 25 April 2011 - 04:30 PM, said:

*reads unbelievably corny and childish fantasy novel for the eightieth time*

Um, excuse me, fucktard but I think you'll find most fantasy novels these days are indeed for grownups, like George R.R. Martin's excellent Game of Thrones series which is so for adults because why else would this series feature totally mature swearing and rapes? And that's not the only mature and quality series available either, so think before you speak, vapid jock douchenozzle.
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Imagine it. Metallic security guards, propelled by deathless power cells, crunching and gliding over a rotting graveyard planet. I can think of no more fitting legacy.




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